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Looking for Maud BAITRUM who married Frederick H C GARNER in 1925. They had two children, Helen in 1926 in the Brentford area and Joseph in 1931 in the Hackney area - and then she seems to have disappeared. I can't find her in the 1939 census, Frederick was at 40 Granville Road, Spelthorne, Feltham. Frederick had 3 sons with Emma K COCKRAM - 1931, 1932 and 1937 - and eventually married Emma in 1948. I'd be very grateful for any help you can give, please.

Lynn

Are you saying that Frederick had a son, Joseph with Maud in 1931 and a son with Emma the same year?

I don't have access but I doubt this person is living alone:
1939-
Hipgrave (Garner) Household Heston and Isleworth M.B., Middlesex, England
Helen (Louise) Hipgrave (Garner) 1926

Helen (Louise) Hipgrave (Garner) on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Hipgrave (Garner) Household (1 Person) 18 Elmer Gardens , Heston and Isleworth M.B., Middlesex, England
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Helen (Louise) Hipgrave (Garner) 30 Oct 1926 Female At School Single 103 3

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Thanks Safc- is she listed at a school? She'd only be 13

18 Elmer gardens sounds more like a residential address to me. There are very few of the records open on that page - most are closed.

Helen married in 1952.

Kath. x

AustinQ

Helen (Louise) Hipgrave (Garner) 30 Oct 1926 Female At School Single 103 3

Perhaps Maud went on to live with someone else without marrying him and was therefore known by another name???

Kath. x

There is a note on Helen's entry 'see page 9'

I don't know how to get to page 9?

There are only 7 pages in that group of images (Helen is on page 5), so I don't know which page 9 they mean either.

There is also a note above the address on Helen's record. I think the first says 9 BLA (BLA is the code for Heston and Isleworth). Not sure what the other numbers or letters mean.

Kath. x

This is on page 9.



Garner Household (4 People)
18 Elmer Gdrs , Heston and Isleworth M.B., Middlesex, England

Charles Garner 19 Dec 1882 Male Contractors Platelayer Married 103 1
Ellen Garner 20 Nov 1876 Female Un Dom Duties Married 103 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Louisa Millier 02 Dec 1873 Female Un Dom Duties Single 103 4 (this lady is at number 16 next door to the Garner family)

Looks like the schedule was a little 'cocked up' !

Edit: This looks like Fredericks parents, Helen's grandparents

I have no idea if this is relevant or not!
A private Ancestry tree has a Maud Baitrum 'born abt 1900 England' spouse Joseph Bickley (same vague birth details). As her name is very unusual, maybe worth checking out?
It sort of implies they married abroad, I suppose!
Jan

Marriages Dec 1947 (>99%)
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Culshaw Annie A Garner Ealing 5e 579
Garner Albert E G Culshaw Ealing 5e 579

(above couple at 18, Elmer Gardens 1958)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(from above)

Chris :)

Jan, I think this is the family that you make mention to


Name: Robert James Bickley birth 1929. marriage 1952
Spouse: Martha Jean Beall
Mother: Maude Wiggett
Father: Joseph C Bickley


Maude Wiggett
Spouse: Joseph K Bickley
Birth: year - location
Marriage: 29th May 1926 Wayne, Michigan, USA

Albert Edward George Garner 16/10/1910 married 1947 above was brother to Frederick H C Garner who married Maud.

Maryb.

1911

Maude Baitrum
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oxton
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 19 Turin Street, Bethnal Green Road, London E
Marital Status: School
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Registration District Number: 17
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 1443
Household Members:
Name Age
George Baitrum 23
Maude Baitrum 8
Eliza Mackintosh 36

Pity this doesn't give an exact date of birth or it may have been possible to find her on the 1939 register.

Maud Baitrum
Age: 5
Birth Date: Aug 1902
School: Hamond Square School
Borough: Hackney
Admission Date: 27 Jan 1908
Parent: Albert
Notes: Hammond Square School opened in 1873. Remodelled in 1912 and later renamed Burbage Primary School (See separate list)
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV04/HAM/AD/011

And it doesn't look like she was born in August 1902

Maud Baitrum
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Shoreditch
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 66

There is this Maud Garner 13/4/1902 died Dec 1973 Wolverhampton Staffs V9b P2512.

In 1949/51 Daughter of Maud and Frederick, Helen L Garner with her dad Frederick and Emma his second wife.

Does this point to Maud having passed away!! Especially as Frederick and Emma married 1948.

Maryb.

Mary, that looks like a different Maud


Household (2 People)
164 Bushbury Road , Wolverhampton C.B., Staffordshire, England

Maud Garner 13 Apr 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 274 2
Howard Garner 25 Jul 1907 Male Butcher Shop Keeper Married 274 1