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lancashireann .............

Thanks ..... I forgot about checking lancsbmd to see if mmn was shown.

I did check on there for a death of a Hannah of a suitable age, as well as on freebmd, and on ancestry.

I missed Richard from that list

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROOK Richard Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library PENNINGTON

I am puzzled that I have not found a birth reg for Cornelius who would have been born between Frederick & Jesse (Jessie?)

????

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848

CROOK Sarah H London Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library PENNINGTON LRD/25/91

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Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851

CROOK Frances London Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library PININGTON LRD/33/97

Cornelius!

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852

CROOK Cornelius London Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library PENNINGTON LRD/37/97

Thanks Sylvia

Looking at the wrong year for Cornelius as I used the 1861 age of 10 which is why I could not find him.

Just found Frances who appears to have died in 1858.

Cane ...............


do you know about this site??

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/index.htm


It might be worth entering William into the data base ....... I got a contact from a previously unknown cousin there after I'd entered OH's gt grandfather.

Lancashireann .........

have you got anywhere looking for the death of Hannah Crook (nee Pinnington) between the 1861 Census and when William appears to have married hannah Kay (nee Cutler)?


I just cannot see any death in those 2 years for a Hannah Crook within 10 years of her age!


Did William just leave her and marry bigamously?




Mind you ...... we're not getting much further, either, in solving cane's problem re William's father!!

Mary ...............


I didn't mean to belittle what you do.

I was feeling very frustrated that I couldn't find the records that you'd posted so that I could post the link.

I'm sorry if I upset you


sylvia xx

The only possible one I can find is

Deaths Mar 1859 (>99%)
CROOK Hannah Salford 8d 7

Salford not on lancsbmd so age unknown

but I've been assuming that the Hannah on the 1861 is Hannah nee Pinnington, b.ca 1820.

The Hannah Crook on the 1871 is b.ca 1823 ........... and that is the one that "seems" to be Hannah Kay nee Cutler.

Hannah Cutler born @ 1823 married Thomas Kay a minor 20/8/1843 Manchester,he was a Striker dad George Kay a Gardner.
Hannah Cutler full age dad James Cutler.Archive Roll 709.

1851Crumpsall D2b >29
Jas Cutlen (Cutler) born 1803 Lancashire
Mary nee Goodwin 1804 Ireland
Mary Goodwin mum in law 1781 Ireland
Hannah Kay 1825 Wigan Lancs a weaver married.
Mary kay 1845 Blackley Lancs
Jno Kay 3 months

1861 Salford Regent Road D 29 > 34
Hannah Kay born Wigan a weaver I think it says married.
Mary Kay 16
William 14(can't find in1851)
John 10
George 2
Mary Goodwin 1778 Ireland Grandma(also on 1851 census)

Mary kay born 1844 daughter of Thomas a smith married William Crook born 1844 to William a blacksmith and Hannah nee Pinnington.
Married 8/8/1864 in Manchester archive roll 732.

So did William Crook 1844 marry his step sister and the Hannah with William on 1861 census was Hannah nee Pinnington.

Maryb.

Thank you everyone xx So very sorry for my absence.,my daughter was poorly, and have some how caught it from her...All of the above info is what I have and I will have a better look through it all when I feel a bit better..Much gratitude too you all xxx
Many thanks for the links.No I hadn't been aware of the Blacksmith one

Thank you Mary ..For the 1866 link re: Cornelius crook, he's a little bugga that one.Gins has already P Md me this image xx

The William croock which I found.I had thought it was a one and only and so it must be him (even with father as a weaver)..But No..There is actually loads of them not just William.. :-S

He is the nephew to Frederick crook,probs as his parents ( Cornelius crook and sarah j crook ( nee carvell) are at loggerheads with each other. ..I am looking for anything else for him after this 1891..i have info for his brother Cornelius. thanks
Name:
Richard Crook

Age:
10

Estimated birth year:
abt 1881

Relation:
Nephew

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Miles Platting, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:
Oldham

Ecclesiastical parish:
Hollinwood

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England


Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:



View image


Registration district:
Oldham

Sub registration district:
Oldham Below Town

ED, institution, or vessel:
52

Neighbors:
View others on page

Piece:
3307

Folio:
60

Page Number:
28

Household Members:


Name

Age


Robert Tomkins 20
Alice Tomkins 23
Fredk Tomkins 2
Sarah A Tomkins 52
Joseph Tomkins 14
Fredk Crook 35
Harriet Emily Crook 25
Richard Crook 10
Cornelius Crook 7

In case you don't have this ........

Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: Richard Crook
Birth Date: 3 Mar
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1881
Parish: Miles Platting, St Luke
Parish as it Appears: St Luke Miles Platting
Father's name: Cornelins Crook
Mother's name: Jane Crook
Reference Number: M366/1/1/2
Item Number: 3
Archive Roll: 862

from image:-

Born March 3 1881
Address:- 105 Dyson St
Father occupation:- Horse Slaughterer

???????????? St Luke is the parish in Miles Platting where he was baptised???

1901 Census

Name: Richard Crook
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Luke, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Cosham
Search Photos: Search for 'Cosham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Widley St Mary Magdalene and Wymering St Peter and St Paul
Town: Cosham and Hilsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Fareham
ED, institution, or vessel: Hilsea Barracks

Piece: 1015
Folio: 112
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 1

Richard Crook 19 Driver, R.F.A


R.F.A. = Royal Field Artillery (it's spelled in full on p.2

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s) RICHARD
Last name CROOK
Birth year 1881
Birth parish ST LUKES
Birth town MANCHESTER
Birth county LANCASHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 183
Rank -
Regiment Royal Artillery
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1899
Attestation Day 29
Attestation Month 6
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months -
Attestation Corps Royal Artillery
Attestation service number 183
Discharge Corps Royal Artillery
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 4612
Box Record Number 131
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from United Kingdom

Joined 29 June 1899
Previous occupation:- Collier
5' 4½" tall
139 lbs
Hair Brown
Eyes Hazel
Religion:- Wesleyan

Fit for duty in R.A. (Royal Horse & Royal Field Artillery)

Extended service to 8 years, with Colors 23 Mar 1904

Absent 30 June 1909

Claimed benefit of the Kings Pardon and was given a Protecting Certificate (A.F.B120) 4 August 1910

In India 8 Dec 1902 to 8 Mar 1906

N.O.K:- Father Cornelius Crook, address not known
Mother Jane Crook, 109 Wickertree Lane, Failsworth, Lancashire

Then:-
Wife Martha Ann Mason,
Married Register Office, Prestwich, Lancashire, 27 Oct 1906
Witnesses:- F (or T) Mason and M.E.Mason
Note:- Married while a Reservist


and that is the end of the record

from lancsbmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1906
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Richard MASON Martha Ann Prestwich Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library PRE_RM/54/104