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I thought I would update you. I found some decendants from one of the Cutts children and we've have had the DNA done and it is an extremely hight match. That answers one question but we now cannot find her in the 1901 and 1911 census.

I don't see a Jessie with that birthdate in either the 1939 register or the deaths index who matches your Jessie

(have ruled out the deaths by finding the marriages that account for the surnames ... unless Jessie had married twice by 1939 ...)

unless you know Jessie's married surname (the name her adopted daughter married under, assuming she married), finding her will be pretty much impossible

I have now received the birth certificate for Florence Emma Lee younger sister Jessie Lee, born 26 February 1897 at 100 Belvedere Rd, Lambeth, mother Emma Lee (formally Hinton), father Henry Lee - soap packer. I understand Jessie has an adopted daughter called Gloria and they lived in Redruth, Cornwall as my cousin visited and I have a photo written on the back by an aunt approx early 60's. Any help tracing her descendants would be appreciated as it my help with details on great grandmother.

Sylvia .............. I guess I had the tab open and didn't refresh it ............... you posted the census etc. but I had not seen it ................ I was asking Paula why she thought that Emma was Emma HInton Cutts (Lee if such she was) since that was the last post I had actually seen when I started to compose my post (and got sidetracked and then came back to it)


anything your father can tell about Emma would be worth knowing Paula - even if it is complete fiction passed down through the family it is worth knowing what that fiction is, because sometimes there are little grains of truth in it!

I was trying to trace Emma Lee / Hinton / Cutts in the 1901 and 1911 census and that is how I found the information as Aunt living with Sandersons but I knew I would have to investigate further to check it out and you very kindly beat me to it, I didn't follow it up last night as it was very late.

I will be visiting my dad on Monday and I will ask again to see if he knows any history on his grandmother.

https://www.suffolk.gov.uk/culture-heritage-and-leisure/suffolk-record-office/using-the-suffolk-record-office/suffolk-record-office-contact-details-and-opening-times/

(you would need to contact above, (Ipswich Branch) regarding holdings for Industrial School/Home)

Chris :)

(although, further down page, on link Sylvia gave for Home, does say below!)

Records
Note: many repositories impose a closure period of up to 100 years for records identifying individuals.

No records noted at present for this establishment — any information welcome.

I would theorize that Emma was Arthur Sanderson's Aunt, as the relationship is to the Head of the household ................. but I doubt it is worth tracing back to find out exactly the relationship

Joonie ...........

I posted that 1901 Census for Emma in Sheffield at 00.37

She's single, born in Sheffield.

I do NOT think that she is Emma Hinton Cutts

Nor is the other Emma Cutts born in Sheffield ...... who was the daughter of Martha or Mary Cutts

Many thanks to Sylvia for following up with so much detail about the family members I theorized. I'd done so much census searching to come up with them and try to trace them forward that I had worn myself out. ;)

Paula I can't find the Emma in Sheffield in 1901, can you post the details to include place of birth and whose aunt she is?


the 1911 for Florence, at Ancestry:

Name: Florence Emma Lie
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Walworth, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich
Country: England
>> Street address: Reformatory School and Girls Industrial Home, 8 Black House Lane, Ipswich
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Ipswich

I would guess it wasn't the 'reformatory' part of it she was in, and rather that she was placed in care and then at that institution to learn an occupation.


edit, found Emma in 1901, aged 36

Name: Emma Cutts
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Aunt
> Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Arthur Sanderson 30
Florence Sanderson 30
Evelyn Sanderson 4
Florence Sanderson 2
Emma Cutts 36
Mary A Hitchins 15
Nelly Owen 12

can you say why you think that is Emma Hinton Cutts?

Ancestry is refusing to load the image for me so I can't see what she reports as marital status and whether the birthplace transcribed is accurate, etc

I would imagine this is the couple that Emma is living with

Marriages Sep 1891
Oates Florence Sheffield 9c 673
Sanderson Arthur Sheffield 9c 673

so this is very likely that Emma's birth:

Births Dec 1864
OATES Emma Sheffield 9c 299

I do not believe that the Emma Cutts that you found on the 1901 Census is YOUR Emma Cutts. The one on the Census is Single, born in Sheffield, the Aunt of Arthur Sanderson, and works as a File Finisher ...........

1901 Census

Name: Emma Cutts
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Aunt
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
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Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St Peter and St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 02

Piece: 4363
Folio: 43
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 93

Arthur Sanderson 30 Printer Compositor
Florence Sanderson 30
Evelyn Sanderson 4
Florence Sanderson 2
Emma Cutts 36 Single,
Mary A Hitchins 15
Nelly Owen 12

Address:- 9 Lambert Street


Here's the Yorkshire Emma in 1871 .......

Name: Emma Cutts
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Cutts
Mother's name: Martha Cutts
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollinsend, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Town: Intake
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 4700
Folio: 103
Page Number: 18

John Cutts 33 Coal Miner
Martha Cutts 33
Sam Cutts 11
Eliza Cutts 8
Harriet Cutts 6
Emma Cutts 4
Sarah Ann Cutts 2
Emily Cutts 2 Months



and THIS Emma Cutts born ca 1864, Sheffield was the child of Mary before Mary married George Barker in Sheffield in June 1969

1881 Census

Name: Emma Cutts
[Emma Barker]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: George Barker
Mother: Mary Barker
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Eckington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: Market Street

Registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Piece: 3442
Folio: 28
Page Number: 49

George Barker 57
Mary Barker 58
Emma Cutts 17
Arnold Cutts 13
Frank Cutts 5

Remember that you do have to be careful ................


there were TWO Florence Emma Lees born in 1894 in the London area ...........

Florence Emma Lee 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep St Saviour Southwark London

Florence Emma Lee 1894 Oct-Nov-Dec Hackney London

The first one is yours!

You do have this information from her baptism, it was posted on page 1 .........

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Florence Emma Lee
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1894
Father's name: Henry Lee
Mother's name: Emma Lee
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers


I cannot find a baptism for the second one

This is WRONG, but I am leaving it up as a note to others

This NOT Florence Emma Lee ..............

The birth date on the image for this one is 1890, and she was admitted with her mother and siblings

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Florence Lee
Birth Date: 1895
Admission Age: 15
Admission Date: 12 Apr 1910
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Southwark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark
Place: London, England
Title: Newington Workhouse, Westmoreland Road Register, 1909-1910

OK ..... so she is down as Florence Emma Lie on ancestry


1911 Census

Name: Florence Emma Lie
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Walworth, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich
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County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Reformatory School and Girls Industrial Home, 8 Black House Lane, Ipswich
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Ipswich
Registration District Number: 213
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 10800
Name Age
Sarah Callaghan 48 Superintendent Certified Reformatory Schoolt


Look at the street address ............


Googling that address .................

http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/IpswichIH/

St Matthew's Industrial Home for Girls, Ipswich, Suffolk was founded in 1857 by Mr Samuel Belcher Chapman, a local magistrate and former businessman. The premises, at 8 Black Horse Lane, consisted of "three or four cottages, forming three sides of a small enclosure". On June 18the, 1858, the Home was officially certified as a Reformatory for up 20 girls sentenced by the courts to detention for up to five years. The Home also received voluntary admissions.

The girls were given classroom education and industrial training to equip them for domestic service. This included needlework, knitting and working in the Home's laundry. All the work of the household and cooking was done by the inmates.

The premises underwent a major reconstruction in 1885-6, with improvements to the dormitories and laundry. The Home could now accommodate up to 46 girls, aged 13 to 16 at their date of admission.

By the early 1900s, a large amount of outside washing was being done in the Home's laundry, with many of the older girls taking the clothes right through from the washing to the final ironing of stiff linen. Dressmaking and cookery lessons had been introduced and the Home baked all its own bread. A drill sergeant visited once a week to instruct the girls in marching and exercises with dumb-bells and barbells. Occasional walks were taken, and in the summer, the girls attended swimming baths and had a day's holiday at the seaside.

Sarah Callaghan was appointed Superintendent in 1906. The Home closed in 1920

I cannot find Florence Emma Lee on the 1911 Census???????????

Open the 1911 Census is the way if you have access to it

If not, we can find it for you

On the 1911 census the details for my grandmother Florence Emma Lee age 16 shows inmate in an institution, county Suffolk, district Ipswich, no. 213. How do I find more information out about this?

I have have also found Emma Cutts on the 1901 census, relationship is aunt aged 37 address is 9 lambert street, St Philips, Yorkshire Sheffield

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England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Matilda Cutts
Spouse Surname: Singleton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1048
Find Spouse: John Singleton


Matilda Singleton on the 1939 register ......... birth month is wrong, year is correct

One would need the certificate to be sure it is her

Singleton Household (3 People) 19 Tilia Road , Hackney, London, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Matilda Singleton 18 Dec 1886 Unpaid Domestic Formerly School ?
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

from image:-

Widow
birth date: 13 (or 18) Oct 1886

I think she was "formerly School Cleaner"

John was at the Central London District Schools, Poor Law School for Pauper Children, Hanwell, Middlesex

There is a note on one of the first pages written firmly by the Superintendent

"It is impossible to give this information {place of birth} as the children have not any clear idea of where they were from."

In 1901, Florence was in Arundel House Institution, 185 Ace (Acre??) Lane

from Google ..........

http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/ClaphamPauperGirls/

This school was apparently originally Clapham Home School for Pauper Girls, Clapham/Brixton, London, which moved in 1900 to Arundel House, 135 Acre Lane, Brixton, where on 23rd December it was certified to receive 22 girls. The matron here was Miss Mary E Burpitt.

The School's intake included girls from unions in the London area such as Richmond, Wandsworth, Clapham, Islington, Hampstead and West Ham, and from others as far afield as Sunderland.

The girls were given basic education and were also trained for domestic service, usually leaving at the age of 14, although delicate or 'backward' ones could remain longer. Girls placed out from the School could be received back or otherwise provided for during intervals of service, holidays, etc.

The girls at Acre Lane went unaccompanied to a local London County Council school. They usually left school at the age of fourteen and spent their final year in the home in training for domestic service. All attended the Church of England and a Sunday school. Each summer, the girls had three weeks holiday at the seaside.