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I suspect that John 1874 was Stanley's father

thanx for the help everyone grateful as always...were electoral records a yearly event or do these tie in with census records?dock street was in monkwearmouth sunderland and salem streetwas in the east end hendon in sunderland.

Yes John and Esther had son Stuart.

Also John Macdonald 1874 had uncle John born Gateshead 1857,worked on docks,I was wondering if he could be the dad of Stanley and Alice Bailes would be Stanley's great aunt.
Can't find any proof as yet.

Maryb.

No idea if related- could be coincidence but Macdonald family at 47 Dock Street East in 1917:

Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Saturday 19 May 1917

WOUNDED:
An official intimation received by Mr Macdonald, 47 Dock Street East states that his son, Driver Stuart Macdonald has been wounded in the right thigh.

Alice was at 47,Dock Street in 1919 on her marriage cert,was she there with her parents??Would there be any electoral records available to check.

Are these connected
John Macdonald 1875 died March 1920 Sunderland 10a 823

Esther Macdonald 1876 died Sept 1930 Sunderland 10a 529

Maryb.

(from 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') Dorothy Elizabeth Bailes is shared by another GR Member, if she could perhaps shed any light on Bailes family, or the name Stanley!)

(posted earlier)

How long did Stanley live with Alice Bailes, her husband died 1947, as I said earlier, contacting the GR Member who has daughter Dorothy Bailes born 1926, might perhaps be an idea...

Maybe some Death Certs. for people will bring Dock Street, as you mention, have you looked on google maps, is that near Salem Street (Not a familiar area to me!)

(or have you looked on below for any other Alice Bailes names that might also fit, or Death for Esther Macdonald)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

i am not sure this is the problem...there was also a rumour that his mother mary died young so again i dont know....i may have to wait until the 1921 census comes out to see if hes at a residence some where
cheers

mary macdonald (mother) 90 mill lane newcastle

Who registered the birth of Stanley H 1913.

I wonder who looked after him until Alice was of an age to take care of him,as she was only 12/3 when he was born.

Maryb.

anyone got any ideas on what i should do now cheers

thanx chris much apprechiated...yeah thats the family...i beleive this is the correct family just because of the info i was given and also the link to the hall family in elswick newcastle (90 mill lane) as this is the address given on stanleys birth cert.theres no mention of stanley on any tree in ancestry and was wondering if he was a result of some affair etc.....for him to be born in elswick and then brought up by his aunty alice in dock street is a mystery. john macdonald and esther macdonald had a bit of a violent relationship according to one newspaper so maybe he messed about during a time when his wife kicked him out...just guessing at moment thou :-S

(does below relate to Alice?)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Bailes James R Macdonald Sunderland 10a 1650
Macdonald Alice D Bailes Sunderland 10a 1650


18 August 1936 - Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Sunderland

SUNDERLAND MAN FINED
James R. Bailes (39), of Salem Street South, Sunderland, who, it was stated, had been before the Court on four previous oocasions, was accused at Hebburn Police Court of having exceeded the speed limit with a heavy goods vehicle, ...”


1939 Register (Find My Past)

6 Salem Street South , Sunderland
James R Bailes 06 Apr 1897 Male Heavy Lorry Driver Or (Five Br?) Married
Alice D Bailes 29 Apr 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
James R Bailes 15 Oct 1920 Male Apprentice Electrician Single ?
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Dorothy E Fisk (Bailes) 03 Dec 1925 Female At School Single 337 5


Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Macdonald Alice Dembry Sunderland 10a 742
MACDONALD Alice Dombry Sunderland 10a 742


Deaths Jun 1947 (>99%)
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Bailes James R 50 Sunderland 1a 956


Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Bailes James Ross Sunderland 10a 648


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ALICE DEMBRY
Last name BAILES
Birth day 29
Birth month 4
Birth year 1900
Death quarter 2
Death year 1987
District SUNDERLAND
Register number 487
County Durham
Volume 2
Page 1593


(if below)

1901 (Find My Past)
John MacDonald Head Married Male 27 1874 Boiler Maker Sunderland, Durham, England
Esther MacDonald Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Dorothy E MacDonald Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Stuart R MacDonald Son - Male 3 1898 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Alice D MacDonald Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Street Hardwick Street
Parish Sunderland
County Durham
Municipal ward Monkwearmouth Shore
Registration district Sunderland
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4721
Folio 141
Page 44


1911 (Find My Past)
John MacDonald Head Married Male Ship Plate Rivetters Labourer 37 1874 Sunderland Durham
Esther MacDonald Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Morpeth Northumberland
Dorothy MacDonald Daughter Single Female - 15 1896 Sunderland Durham
Stuart Ronald MacDonald Son Single Male School 13 1898 Sunderland Durham
Alice MacDonald Daughter Single Female School 11 1900 Sunderland Durham
John MacDonald Son Single Male - 9 1902 Sunderland Durham
Martha Anne MacDonald Daughter Single Female - 8 1903 Sunderland Durham
Address 8 Normanby Street Monkwearmouth Sunderland
Parish Sunderland
County Durham
Census reference RG14 PN30226 RG78 PN1742 RD555 SD3 ED14 SN27
(Married 16yrs, 5 children born, 5 living)

(perhaps?)

Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
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McDonald John Sunderland 10a 964
PRITCHARD Esther Sunderland 10a 964


1939 Register (Find My Past)

25 Glenthorne Road , Sunderland
Stuart R Macdonald 12 Mar 1898 Male Carpenter & Joiner (Foreman) Building Trade Married
Edith N Macdonald 25 Apr 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married ?
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Stuart R Macdonald 11 Aug 1925 Male Seeking Work Not Previously Employed Single


Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
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BEE Edith M Macdonald Sunderland 10a 1197
MACDONALD Stuart R Bee Sunderland 10a 1197


Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
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Brandt John W MacDonald Sunderland 10a 1699
Macdonald Dorothy E Brandt Sunderland 10a 1699


1939 Register (Find My Past)

11 Raley Street , Barnsley C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding)
Dorothy E Brandt 05 Mar 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
John W Brandt 17 Oct 1896 Male Police Officer Married



Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
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Macdonald Martha Annie Sunderland 10a 724

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
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MacDonald Martha A 8 Sunderland 10a 932


Marriages Mar 1925 (>99%)
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Forbes Dora Macdonald Sunderland 10a 949
Macdonald John Forbes Sunderland 10a 949


1939 Register (Find My Past)

9 Wilson Street , Sunderland C.B., Durham
Dora Macdonald 23 Feb 1900 Female Hospital Cleaner Local Government
William Hayes 14 Feb ? Male Motor Driver Married


edits (from 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') Dorothy Elizabeth Bailes is shared by another GR Member, if she could perhaps shed any light on Bailes family, or the name Stanley!)

thanx for the info but heres an update to where i am now regarding stanley.
the aunt alice who raised him i believe is
alice bailes nee macdonald who was living in dock street sunderland (i would have mentioned this earlier but there was confusion over her marriage name). we also didnt relise her maiden name was macdonald but according to census records her father is also called john macdonald (ship rivetter) but his wife is Esther. but stanleys mother is supposed to be called mary macdonalled (formally hall)

Well, I couldn't stand it any longer, so used some credits to look at the McDonald / Hall marriage.

It probably doesn't look as if it's the right couple, sadly.

12 November 1897, at St Aloysius Chapel, Garnethill, Glasgow.

John McDonald, gaspipe layer, bachelor, age 31.
Father: John McDonald, fruit dealer, deceased.
Mother : Mary McDonald, ms Bole.

Mary Hall, dressmaker, spinster, 28.
Father: Stephen Hall, coachman, deceased.
Mother: Mary Hall, ms McGrady, deceased.

Witnesses: John Cox and Bridget Healy.


Stephen Hall & Mary McGrady married in Glasgow1866.
Can't see a marriage for John McDonald and Mary Bole, either in Scotland or on FreeBMD.

Yes, that's right, Sean.

edward hall who was living at 90 mill lane in the 1911 census died in 1915. Would the only way i could find the address at his death would this be the death cert is thge correct????
chhers

hi rootgatherer
i know what you mean but on the 1901 census it says edward hall was born in denton burn and jane his wife born in mickley northumberland.
i dont even have any proof yet that they are even related to each other.aa i said in my original posts 90 mill lane in elswick is the residence given on the birth certificate of stanley hall macdonald...mother is mary macdonald formally hall.
cheers

Have you eliminated this McDonald family please? They had 6 children still living in 1911

John Macdonald
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wetheral, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Elswick
Search Photos: Search for 'Elswick' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 43 Rendel St Scotswood Rd Newcastle On Tyne
Occupation: Fireman
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: Elswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 30593
Household Members:
Name Age
John Macdonald 56
Mgt Macdonald 52
Robert Macdonald 19

The Scottish marriage certificate that you view would give their place of residence not their place of birth. I think it was about the 1960s or 1970s before Scottish marriage registrations gave the place of birth.

If you haven't found a marriage for them, how can you be sure that the Halls were all born in Newcastle please?

thanx for the info everyone..the marriage in glasgow i ruled out as i am sure on the info it has them both being born in glasgow where as the hall family were born in newcastle...or i could just be confused.