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If you compare the signature with that of the John married to Henrietta on 1911, who incidentally is a ship's rivetter, apart from the later one being more confident, I would say they are the same person.

However, unless we have the wrong one on 1891 census at 50 Vine St. then I don't understand why he should have that address on his record????

I am totally confused here !

I couldn't find a marriage which I was happy with for that John + Henrietta AND when I looked at John + Henrietta on 1901 they had a visitor there - Mary Cumuskey ? I traced her back to this marriage where there were 2 Mary's and one was Mary Thompson !!

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Allison Henry Sunderland 10a 813
**CUMISKEY James Sunderland 10a 813
**Thompson Mary Sunderland 10a 813 ???
THURSBY Mary Sunderland 10a 813

I am beginning to think that 'our' John flitted from woman to woman and finally settled with Sarah :-S :-0

Dea x

Who were the witnesses on his marriage cert please?

Is it possible for you to scan the cert into 'keepsafes' on here so we can look at that signature too? (presuming that the cert shows the actual signatures and they have not been transcribed !)

Dea x

thanks for finding that info choccy and Maddie .. it may be him !!!

dea if your head is battered and you a pro imagine how I feel :-)

am going to try contact the lady again who has the Henrietta in her tree she told me when I started looking few years back it was no connection but she keeps popping up !!

this is what she told me about her info ..the sarah Thompson in her tree ( parents were Thomas Thomson and ann metcalfe ) was married to a peter chapman but her ( sarahs ) sister was Henrietta who married a john fisher ..

on my sarah marriage 1914 cert her father is Richard Thompson deceased , the 1911c of the add given on cert (malings rig) show a Thomas Thompson and his family living there ..a john fisher joins them at that add in 1912 on electoral roll..

could the Thomas Thompson be sarahs uncle ?? looking after after father died

why isn't everything just straight forward ?

Christine x

sorry Dea I cant scan :-( may be able to take pic and ad that way tonight ..

the witnesses to john fisher 36 bachelor dock labourer and sarah ann Thompson 33 spinster were a john winn and x of lisa jane redman

both parents deceased johns --Edward fisher ship riveter
sarah ann --Richard Thompson painter

ha ha guess who has signed the copy cert I got in 2011 a deputy superintendant H Thompson !!! ha ha

Christine x

Sorry if this is already posted (I'm having a job following it all!)

Is this the marriage for John and Henriettie- a Thompson?!!

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
Bradford Frederick Sunderland 10a 850
Fisher John Sunderland 10a 850 <<<<<<<<
THOMPSON Henrittie Sunderland 10a 850 <<<<<<<
Wadsworth Eliza Sunderland 10a 850
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1939 register- I don't have access so can't post full details, but it looks as though they're still together:

Fisher Household Sunderland C.B., Durham, England
Henriettie Fisher 1879
John Fisher 1878

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1255053?d=asc

(does above relate here?)

Chris :)


Christine Report 21 Jan 2011 17:08

yeah choccy i already have that marriage of ..
Fisher John Sunderland 10a 850 >>>>>THOMPSON Henrittie Sunderland 10a 850 ( dont know where this is connected yet if it is a connection .

it was just with the 1911 c saying that they john and sarah ann had been married 8 years i wanted to confirm that the 1904 marriage wasnt theres..

so i now know that they wernt married untill 1914 and that they were lying on their childrens birth certs in 1911 and 1914..

christine
x

Thank you Austin - just back from the school run so I will take a look now !

Dea x

Perhaps relating to your John??

Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Monday 11 July 1932

Ninth Appearance at 20
"It is very regrettable that a young man of 20 should have these convictions against him" said the Mayor (Ald. E H Brown) to John Fisher (20) of Maling's Rigg who was accused at Sunderland Police Court today of drunkeness and disorderly conduct. PC Sample proved the case. Fisher, who made his ninth appearance was fined £1.

Back to the beginning then !

So, this would be 'your' Sarah in 1891 (though her age is slightly out?):

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ettrick Place, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Thompson Head Married Male 55 1836 House Painter Sunderland, Durham, England
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Margaret Thompson Wife Married Female 54 1837 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Jane Thompson Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Joseph Thompson Son Single Male 15 1876 Copper Smith Apprentice Sunderland, Durham, England
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Sarah A Thompson Daughter Single Female 9 1882 - Sunderland, Durham, England ***


and this would be Henriettie/a :

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dunns Passage, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Thompson Head Married Male 56 1835 Waterman Sunderland, Durham, England
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Ann Thompson Wife Married Female 52 1839 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Jane Thompson Daughter Single Female 18 1873 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Henrietta Thompson Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
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Sarah Thompson Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England

Dea x

ohh Austin that may be him esp with add of malings rig :-)

chris Ho yeah that was my first post in 2011 when I had just found outwho my grandfather was and that's when I first got the Henrietta info but couldn't connect anywhere ..

Dea im just off to a meeting so will pick up again later tonight

Christine x

Austin thanks just realised its johns son john my granddad who was the drunk : :-0

Dea thanks yep that is my sarah a. :-)

arrgh Henriettas dad had to be called Thomas !!!!
this Thomas doesn't seem ( ha maybe wrong) to be the Thomas I have in the 1911c @ malings rigg with a wife Margaret

will find the connection and john one day !!!!

Christine x

So, Edward died in 1898, so wouldn't be on the 1901

Name: Edward Fisher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a Page: 376

If this is Catherine's death she should be on the 1901

Name: Catherine Fisher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a Page: 373

I don't see Catherine on the 1901- so presumably John is with his mother somewhere in 1901. Do you have Catherine (1906) or John's (1898) death certificate for the address?

morning Austin ...thanks so much for your help so far ..

don't have any of the death certs ..think that may have to be my next step ..

I haven't looked into Catherines line yet..

Christine x

Catherine is certainly not on 1901 - I have even tried just initials in case she is in an institution.

Dea x

ive just found this :-
????
1901c add coronation st ( same area family lived )
Catherine 49 1852 widow servant
sarah murgatroyd 33 1868 H married greenegrocer

maybe her maybe not !!

off out now so will pick up tonight ..

Christine x

from fmp - she has a middle initial

name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Murgatroyd Head Married Female 33 1868 Greengrocer Sunderland, Durham, England
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Catherine A Fisher Servant Widow Female 49 1852 General Servant Domestic Sunderland, Durham, England
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Census details
First name(s) Sarah
Last name Murgatroyd
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 33
Birth year 1868
Occupation Greengrocer
Birth town Sunderland
Birth town as transcribed SUNDERLAND
Birth county Durham
Birth county as transcribed DURHAM
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) SARAH, CATHERINE
Other household member last name MURGATROYD, FISHER
Street Coronation Street
Town Sunderland
Parish Sunderland
City -
Country England
County Durham
Municipal ward Sunderland
Registration district Sunderland
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4719
Folio 92
Page 36
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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yeah Maddie that was the one I was referring to...poss could be her just the all the ages are out ..

been today and found the wedding cert off johns parents Catherine Haley to Edward fisher on
oct 22 1877 .
Catherine 18 add is 22 malings rig her father john haley labourer
Edward 20 riveter add is 24 Stafford st father William fisher marriner

malings rig comes up again ..think I may be getting somewhere :-)

Christine x

1861
William Fisher Head Married Male 30 1831 Mariner Sunderland, Durham, England
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Barbara Fisher Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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William Fisher Son - Male 5 1856 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Frances Fisher Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Edward Fisher Son - Male 2 1859 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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John Fisher Son - Male 0 1861 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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Census details
First name(s) Edward
Last name Fisher
Relationship Son
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 2
Birth year 1859
Occupation -
Birth town Sunderland
Birth town as transcribed SUNDERLAND
Birth county Durham
Birth county as transcribed DURHAM
Birth place (other) England
Birth place other as transcribed -
House number 4
Street Burleigh Street
Parish Sunderland
City or borough Sunderland
County Durham
Country England
Municipal ward East
Parliamentary borough Sunderland
Ecclesiastical district Sunderland
Registration district Sunderland
Enumeration district 4
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 3778
Folio number 9
Page number 12
Family member last name FISHER
Family member first name(s) JOHN, EDWARD, FRANCES, WILLIAM, BARBARA
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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1861
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Catherine Morris Head Widow Female 35 1826 Washerwoman Ireland
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Patrick Brewes Stepson - Male 15 1846 Scholar Ireland
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Thomas Haley Lodger Widower Male 25 1836 Dock Labourer Ireland
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Catherine Haley Lodger - Female 0 1861 At Home Sunderland, Durham, England
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Census details
First name(s) Catherine
Last name Haley
Relationship Lodger
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 0
Birth year 1861
Occupation At Home
Birth town Sunderland
Birth town as transcribed SUNDERLAND
Birth county Durham
Birth county as transcribed DURHAM
Birth place (other) England
Birth place other as transcribed -
House number 10
Street Baines Lane
Parish Sunderland
City or borough Sunderland
Town Sunderland
County Durham
Country England
Municipal ward Sunderland
Parliamentary borough Sunderland
Registration district Sunderland
Enumeration district 4
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 3780
Folio number 6
Page number 6
Family member last name MORRIS, BREWES, HALEY
Family member first name(s) CATHERINE, PATRICK, THOMAS
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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WILLIAM
Last name FISHER
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1851
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ WILLIAM FISHER married one of these people
MARGARET CAMPBELL, ELEANOR PEVERLEY, BARBARA BROWN
District SUNDERLAND
District number -
County Durham
Country England
Volume 24
Page 321
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain