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AustinQ
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11 Feb 2016 16:05 |
I'd be tempted to get that death certificate for Hannah Goff, but not sure about that death for George in 1868- think that death belongs to this George:
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal - Friday 18 September 1868 VALLANCE: On the 6th inst at Warmbrook, Wirksworth, Mr George Vallance aged 36.
1861 Name: George Vallons [George Vallance] Age: 29 Estimated birth year: 1832 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Vallons Gender: Male Where born: Wirksworth, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Wirksworth Town: Wirksworth County/Island: Derbyshire Registration district: Belper Sub-registration district: Wirksworth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 2517 Folio: 23 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age George Vallons 29 Hannah Vallons 30 Joseph Vallons 7 Anne Vallons 6 George Vallons 3 Hannah Vallons 9/12
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ArgyllGran
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11 Feb 2016 16:38 |
Just for interest - Miss Jessop of Butterley Hall in 1881, with a companion and lots of servants. Whichever Vallance boy it was she took under her wing in 1876 couldn't have stayed long - Alfred & Walter were in the workhouse, and there's no sign of another Vallance boy here:
Sarah M. Jessop in the 1881 England Census Name: Sarah M. Jessop Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Gender: Female Where born: Ripley, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Ripley County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Butterley Hall Registration district: Belper ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3414 Folio: 85 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Sarah M. Jessop 24 Jessie B. Adams 31 - companion Elizabeth Morris 21 Sarah Cooke 29 Harriet Barker 19 Catherine Slater 19 Kate Ferguson 18 Jesse Bennett 17 Walter Wolstenholm 19
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ArgyllGran
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11 Feb 2016 16:54 |
Possibly another child of Hannah Maria ???
Births Dec 1869 (>99%) VALLANCE Hannah Belper 7b 436 Deaths Jun 1870 Vallance Hannah 0 Belper
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AustinQ
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11 Feb 2016 17:02 |
This looks to be another child Hanna Maria and George born in 1869:
First name(s) JOHN WILLIAM Last name VALLANCE Birth year 1869 Birth quarter 4 District BELPER County Derbyshire Volume 7B Page 439 -------------------------------------------
Baptism Name: John William Vallance Gender: Male Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1870 Baptism Place: Crich,Derby,England Death Date: 19 Jan 1870 Father: George Vallance Mother: Hannah Maria FHL Film Number: 498054, 498055 --------------------------------------
Burial: First name(s) John William Last name Vallance Event year 1870 Burial year 1870 Burial date 19 Jan 1870 Burial place Crich, Derbyshire, England
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Feb 2016 17:05 |
(tricky with Derbys., as there is also below!)
Chris :)
County Derbyshire Place Wirksworth Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Marriage date 8 Dec 1851 Groom forename George Groom surname VALLENCE Groom age Minor Groom condition Bachelor Groom parish Wirksworth Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Hannah Bride surname GRATTON Bride age Of full age Bride condition Spinster Bride parish Wirksworth Groom father forename Thomas Groom father surname VALLENCE Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename John Bride father surname GRATTON Bride father occupation Miner Witness1 forename George Witness1 surname COOKE Witness2 forename Rebecca Witness2 surname LEAM
County Derbyshire Place Crich Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Marriage date 24 Dec 1860 Groom forename George Groom surname VALLENCE Groom condition Bachelor Groom parish Fritchley Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Martha Bride surname HALL Bride condition Spinster Bride parish Fritchley Groom father forename George Groom father surname VALLENCE Groom father occupation Boatman Bride father forename Joseph Bride father surname HALL Bride father occupation Framework Knitter Witness1 forename George Witness1 surname SWIFT Witness2 forename Mary Witness2 surname HALL
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
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ArgyllGran
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11 Feb 2016 17:10 |
Hannah Maria's birth?? (Based on Mary's post on page 1, saying born Holmesfield.)
Births Dec 1846 (>99%) Hill Hannah Maria Chesterfield 19 478
On page 1, Beverley said Walter's mother was stated to be Hannah Vallance, late Hill, formerly Goff . That means she must have married a Goff before Mr Vallance, but I don't see a Hill / Goff marriage.
Also, why would she be buried as Goff, if that was neither her maiden nor her current married name? Is that a different Hannah?
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ArgyllGran
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11 Feb 2016 17:20 |
Don't think this has been posted before - apologies if so:
[EDIT: - Oops, yes it has - by Gins on page 1.]
Hannah Mauabalons (Hannah Maria Valons on image) in the 1871 England Census Name: Hannah Mauabalons Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Where born: Holmesfield, Derbyshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Crich County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Belper Sub-registration district: Ripley ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 117 Piece: 3587 Folio: 38 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Mauabalons 25 - widow Mary Elizabeth Valons 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Martha Valons 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Thomas Mills 27 - lodger Alice Mills 21 - lodger's wife Alfred Williams 18 - lodger
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AustinQ
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11 Feb 2016 18:04 |
The George Vallance that married Hannah Gratton died in 1868- the 1861 for that family is posted at 16:05. Don't think this is the correct family.
It's possible that Hannah Maria Hill/ Goff/ Vallance just lived with/ had children with a Mr Goff after her husband, Mr Vallance had died/ left. If she wasn't married to Goff, the children would've been still registered as Vallance- so perhaps adding Goff to her names was just her way of acknowledging the father. Lets face it- many people got away with putting 'not quite the truth' on birth and marriage certs.
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Feb 2016 18:25 |
(was anymore found from address on below?, is that Ayrton Street)
Chris :)
Posts - bevken - RootsChat www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area...;u=95793
25th March 1874. WALTER BOY Father : Alfred Vallance Mother : Hannah Vallance , Late Hill , Formally ... Address 13 Airton Street , Horton , Bradford Yorkshire.
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Beverley
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11 Feb 2016 18:50 |
I found Ireton Street , Horton , off Legrams Lane Which would fit .. on the birth cert Hannah marked her name by a X obviously couldn't read or write so the Registrar just wrote as she said it !!
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AustinQ
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11 Feb 2016 18:53 |
Just to add to Chris Ho's post- when you went to Keighley Library, were there any records on Alfred? Also were there (or did you search for) records of Alfred and Walter's entry to the workhouse?
Perhaps you need to contact the West Yorkshire Archives to see if they hold the relevant records:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/b16ab396-4349-4b09-a5e8-6d742b992d36
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Beverley
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11 Feb 2016 20:41 |
The only records that have survived from North Bierley are held at Keighley and they only had the boarding out of children Ledger no admit ions no record of Alfred in the book !!
Have sent for marriage cert of Martha will have it by the 17th Feb .. already sent for copies of Alfred's two marriages a few years back and of course Mum had the original cert of her Grandparents Walter and Annie so wonderful to hold the certificate that they held almost 110 years ago June 2nd 1906 :)
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Dea
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11 Feb 2016 21:25 |
You are so right Beverley - SO very wonderful to hold the original records of those very special moments in your hands.
Dea x
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Beverley
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19 Feb 2016 11:58 |
Disappointed received Martha's Wedding cert this morning and Father's name has a line through it , thus not naming her Father ... so don't know if Martha was Sister to our Alfred and Walter .
Where to go from now I'll have to put my thinking cap on !!!!
Beverley
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