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Great Grandfather Walter VALLANCE was left with his brother Alfred aged 7 and 9 ( at the time of the 1881 census ) as orphans at North Bierley Union Workhouse , Clayton Bradford , story told to my mother was that their parents were killed whilst travelling !! cannot find anything to back this up . Father stated on both wedding certs as William VALLANCE but no trace of any accidents or deaths of a William to tie up between 1874 and 1881 when left , so whether this was a "story " told rather than a parent not being able to look after them we do not know ...

Walter VALLANCE b. 1874
Alfred VALLANCE b. 1872
Martha VALLANCE b. 1868

Anyone have these members in their tree with father William


A very large high brick wall !!!!


Beverley Kennedy

Was father William stated as deceased on marriage certificates? What was William's occupation?

Have you found Martha on 1871 & 1881 census?

Birth:
VALLANCE Walter 1874 Horton Yorkshire Bradford HORT/107/79

Do you have Walter, or siblings birth certificates?

Is this Martha in 1881?

Martha Valance
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Martha Valance
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Gender: Female
Where born: Bdford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Heaton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Heaton Syke
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Bradford
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4475
Folio: 108
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Emanuel Dyson 66
Martha Valance 13

Although Austin has posted Walter's birth in Bradford, and although the 1881 above says Martha was born Bradford (it that's the same Martha), I can't see births for Martha or Alfred in Bradford.

Could these possibly be them, in Derbyshire??

Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
VALLANCE Martha Belper 7b 460

Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
VALLANCE Alfred Belper 7b 472

I was wondering about the surname


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bowmer Lane, Crich, Belper, Derbyshire, England


Hannah Maria Valons (widow) Head - Female 25 1846 - Derbyshire, England
Mary Elizabeth Valons Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Derbyshire, England
Martha Valons Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Derbyshire, England

found this

Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%)
VALLANCE Martha 33 Belper 7b 315
VALLANCE William 26 Belper 7b 319

Yes all the above are the same as what I have come across you will not believe how hard it has been over the past 10 years or so that I have been researching . As up until last November I thought the birth at Horton Bradford was our Walter ( bought cert ) but stated father was Alfred mother Hannah Vallance late Hill formally Goff , cant trace these pair either . November they released the 1939 records and Walter now says his Birthday is 18th June 1873 ( the cert we had from Bradford states DOB 25th March 1874 ) so blown that one out .

Yes William on both marriage certs of Alfred and Walter is stated as deceased in 1906 and 1910 ... occupation Excavator

Beverley

Where does sister Martha tie in to your research?

Did you mean Walter's Date of birth on the 1939 was 1975?

I'm a bit confused who did Walter, Alfred and Martha marry?

Did Walter marry Annie Shaw 1906?- Father was listed as William Vallance, deceased, Labourer.

Possibly him and Annie 1939:

Sarah Jane Shaw 1860 Bradford C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)
Annie Vallance 1884 Bradford C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)
Walter Vallance 1875 Bradford C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)
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Possible marriage for Alfred in 1901 to Sarah Sharp. Alfred's father listed as William Vallance, deceased, Navvy

???
1901
John Brook Head Married Male 25 1866 Collier Wyke, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Brook Wife Married Female 20 1871 Collier Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Martin Meany Lodger Single Male 20 1871 Collier Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Alfred Vallance Lodger Single Male 19 1872 Labourer Brick Making Clayton, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Peter Riley Lodger Single Male 17 1874 Collier Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Transcription

Street Holdsworth Street
Town Wyke
Parish Wike or Wyke

Walter Married Annie Shaw 1906 father William Vallance (Deceased ) Labourer
Alfred Married Sarah Sharpe 1901 father William Vallance ( Deceased ) Navvy
they have a boy named Dan 1903 dies 1906

Alfred remarries Emily Smith 1910 in Burnley father William Vallance Deceased Excavator

They too have a boy Tom 1911 dies 1916 Alfred dies 1916 , according to his army records unfit to continue as soldier TB and Asthma maybe passed on TB to Tom !!

Martha also states born in Clayton with ? behind on census records
The boys seem to be confused where they were born at times changing place of birth on census records at one point they both put Southampton on 1901 census

Have traced them from 1881 but nothing before .. and what could have happened to their parents , surely must have been from the clayton region to have been left at North Bierley Union .

Walter in the 1939 census is living with Annie (his wife ) and her mother Sarah Jane this is all correct Mum remembers them well . Mum went to pick up Walter's pension one day with her grandma and asked why Walter had two names Vallance and Etherington she told her that he was adopted by the Etherington's .

I managed to have a look at the boarding out of children records of North Bierley Union Workhouse that are kept at Keighley Library the entry read :

Tong Street , Dudley Hill
W VALLANCE
ORPHAN boarded out aged 8
Health Good

Thomas ETHERINGTON ( Mill hand )
From the Guardians of the Poor also received the sum of one pound ten shillings ,provided clothing April 1882
Was paid Ten Shillings until ten years , seven shillings quaterley .
attend school until 10 years
Left workhouse with no personal belongings !!

the censuses back this up also an Etherington was a witness at the wedding
he never changed his name Married as a Vallnce and died as Vallance so don't know why had the two names on his pension other than he claimed monies left to him somehow !!

(below from google search)

Chris :)

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25th March 1874. WALTER BOY Father : Alfred Vallance Mother : Hannah Vallance , Late Hill , Formally ... Address 13 Airton Street , Horton , Bradford Yorkshire.


https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-52335.html

(perhaps your queries above, other one below)


Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ALFRED
Last name VALLANCE
Birth year 1872
Place RIPLEY
Reference RB/30/023
Register office Amber Valley (Ripley)
Subdistrict Ripley
County Derbyshire


Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
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VALLANCE Alfred Belper 7b 472


Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Vallance
Marriage year 1897
Parish St.Mary
Place Crich
Spouse's first name Harriet
Spouse's last name Holmes
Reference CR/02/188
Register Office 392

Yes Chris this is me told you I've been everywhere over the years ...

If that was the correct Martha in 1881, which I posted earlier, this looks like her in 1891 and 1901:

Martha Falana
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Martha Falana
[Martha Valance]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Manningham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bradford
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3634
Folio: 111
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Arthur 26
Annie Arthur 30
Sydney Arthur 2
Martha Falana 23 - silk warp picker



Martha Vallance
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Martha Vallance
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Woodside St James
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub-registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4059
Folio: 128
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Allinson 38
Laura Allinson 33
Ethel Allinson 10
Gertrude Allinson 7
Annie Arthur 40 - sister-in-law
Martha Vallance 33 - velvet warp & wind dresser


In which censuses have you found her birthplace as Clayton, Beverley?

And how do you know she's related to Walter and Alfred?
Do you have her birth or marriage cert?

ArgllGran

Yes you are correct on the censuses you have found , Martha was rather " fond" of William Arthur after his wife Annie died in 1901 Martha married him in 1903 they are on the 1911 census as married and three more children this is where she states born in Clayton .

I have sent for Martha and Williams marriage cert so waiting to see who she says is her father .

for Ref:

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
ARTHUR William Bradford 9b 211
VALLANCE Martha Bradford 9b 211

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
97 Westbourne Road Bradford, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

William Arthur Head Married Male Furniture Removers Packer 46 1865 Tenbury Worcestershire
Martha Arthur Wife Married Female - 43 1868 Clayton Bradford
Lily Arthur Daughter Single Female Fancy Ironer 17 1894 Bradford Yorks
Albert Arthur Son Single Male Errand Ironer 15 1896 Bradford Yorks
Alfred Arthur Son - Male - 7 1904 Bradford Yorks
Daisy Arthur Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Bradford Yorks
Percy Arthur Son - Male - 4 1907 Bradford Yorks

Baptism
Name: Susan Annie Vallance
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1876
Parish: Horton, All Saints
Baptism Date: 31 Aug 1876
Father: Alfred Vallance (excavator)
Mother: Hannah Vallance
Abode: 22 John William Street

Death
Name: Susan Annie Vallance
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Bradford
Volume: 9b Page: 34
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Burial:
Name: John Thomas Vallance
Death Age: 2 years
Birth Year: abt 1877
Burial Date: 24 Apr 1879
Parish: Clayton, St John, Yorkshire, England
Clayton workhouse

AustinQ

I had linked these to Walter as same parents on the birth cert I presumed was my Walter , but the DOB is different to the one he states on the 1939 census but if this isn't the same person what happened to him !!

It's so frustrating!!
Please let us know what Martha's marriage certificate says- this mystery has me gripped.

Putting this up just in case it's related- grasping at straws!:

Sheffield Independent - Monday 05 June 1876

Belper Board of Guardians
A letter was read from Miss Jessop of Butterley Hall, Ripley, asking the guardians to allow her to adopt a boy named Vallance. She stated that the boy would be sent to Captain Fielden's home for children in Derbyand remain there under his supervision, until he could find a suitable person to adopt the boy in question. A long discussion took place, several guardians expressing an opinion that the children in the Belper Workhouse had great care taken of them, and that Vallance should be retained in the workhouse until he was fit to be apprenticed. On the vote being taken it was carried by a large majority that Miss Jessop be allowed to take the boy under her care.
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This looks like a connection to the Martha Valance 1868 in Belper.

Hannah Maria Hill married George Valance O/N/D 1867 Sheffield V9c P509.

??George Valance 1832 died Belper 1868
Martha baptised by George and Hannah 12/7/1868.

1871 Crich Derby D8 >22
Hannah Maria Valons widow a charwoman born @ 1846 Holmesfield Derbyshire
Mary Elizabeth 4 Born Bradway Derbyshire born Hill 29/5/1866 baptised same day as Martha 12/7/1868 mum Hannah Maria Hill.
Martha 2 Crich Derbyshire.

Hannah Maria Goff 1848-1877
Buried 13/8/1877 she lived at Pasture Lane Clayton.

Is this the mother of Martha ,Alfred and Walter?

Maryb.