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on 1st Feb 'Catherine' kindly gave me info on the 1871 census for Caroline Denoa (Deniord - Deniordoa) with her husband William and Sons William age 4 and James age 7 months. I have done the 1871 census but have not found them at all under any of the surnames. If someone can find them for me would you tell me how to find them, or at least give me the address that is noted. Thank you for reading.

Good morning folks, how interesting, thank you. Will have to look now for James and William.

I wouldn't worry to much about the spouse Alice. It was from a record on Ancestry but with nothing to back it up. And the birth year for Charles is well out. I should have given the source when I posted the info. Sorry for the confusion caused.

I've had a quick look for Alice, but nothing coming up.

In 1881 census there is a step-son noted (James Deniord)

As this seems to be Caroline in 1871, stated as married but no marriage showing so I think it is more likey that James was the illegitimate son of Wiliam Deniord:-

Name: Caroline Denoa
[Caroline Deniord]
[Caroline Deniordoa]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Denoa
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 491
Folio: 83
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
William Denoa 32
Caroline Denoa 24
William Denoa 4
James Denoa 7 Months


William Jnr also seems to be the son of Caroline and William:-

Name: William Denoird
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1867
Father's name: William Samuel Denoird
Mother's name: Caroline Denoird
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthias
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


..........haven't found the two Williams in 1881 yet????

Off to bed now.

So it's Laura - Rootsgatherer Said in a previous post tonight his spouse was Alice

Don't know where the Alice came from?

As far as I can see he married Laura Ethel Chinnery as posted earlier.

This looks to be his death:-

Name: Charles W Irwin
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Dec 1961
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Chichester
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 632

Probate:-

Name: Charles William Irwin
Probate Date: 5 Mar 1962
Registry: Winchester, Chester, England
Death Date: 26 Dec 1961
Death Place: Sussex, England

............of Yew Tree Cottage, Pigeon Hill Woolbeding Midhurst Sussex died 26 December 1961 at St.Richards Hospital Chichester
Amdinistration Winchester 5 March to Laura Ethel Irwin widow
Effects £262 5s 11d


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.............and Laura:-

Name: Laura Ethel Irwin
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1891
Date of Registration: Jun 1978
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Chichester
Inferred County: West Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 1618

Really helpful, thank you. Can you see why his wife is either Alice or Laura

Oh yes, so it is. Wonder why I didn't pick him up as being in same household?

This is the same address as his mother Caroline was at on 1911 census.

Surname is just mistranscribed. It's sometimes really difficult to read the original images as writing can be so bad, but I think it is the same person.

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This looks to be son Charles in 1911

First name(s) Charles
Last name Irwin
Relationship Servant
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation Carpenter By Trade General For Totune
Age 27
Birth year 1884
Birth place London
Address Pigens Hill Midhurst Sussex
Parish Woolbeding
County Sussex
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Midhurst
Registration district number 87
Enumeration district 13
District number -
Sub district Midhurst
Sub district number 1
Census reference RG14PN5427 RD87 SD1 ED13 SN41
Piece number 5427
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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(He's working in a home for invalids.)

Not sure 1911 census is right - surname is wrong as is place of birth

The couple must have split up as father states he is widowed in 1901

First name(s) John Angelo
Last name Irwin
Relationship Pauper Inmate
Marital status Widower
Gender Male
Age 57
Birth year 1844
Occupation Dock Porter
Birth town St George in the East
Birth town as transcribed ST GEORGES EAST
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England
Parish Christchurch Southwark
City -
Country England
County London
Municipal ward Christchurch
Registration district St Saviour Southwark
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 360
Folio 64
Page 14
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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1911
First name(s) Angelo
Last name Iriom
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widower
Sex Male
Occupation Waterside Labourer
Age 66
Birth year 1845
Birth place London Southwark
Address Gray Street Blackriars Road S E
Parish Christchurch
County London
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Southwark
Registration district number 23
Enumeration district 13
District number -
Sub district Christchurch and St Saviour Southwa
Sub district number 1
Census reference RG14PN1761 RG78PN61 RD23 SD1 ED13 SN1
Piece number 1761
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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1911 Caroline states she is widowed, but her husband is in the workhouse still:-

First name(s) Caroline
Last name Irwin
Relationship Servant
Marital status Widow
Sex Female
Occupation Laundress
Age 67
Birth year 1844
Birth place London
Address Pigeon Hill Midhurst Sussex
Parish Woolbeding
County Sussex
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Midhurst
Registration district number 87
Enumeration district 13
District number -
Sub district Midhurst
Sub district number 1
Census reference RG14PN5427 RD87 SD1 ED13 SN42
Piece number 5427
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) CAROLINE
Other household member last name IRWIN
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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Married 36yrs
6 children all living.

1901
Census details
First name(s) Caroline
Last name Irwin
Relationship Servant
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 57
Birth year 1844
Occupation Laundress
Birth town Bethnal Green
Birth town as transcribed BETHNAL GREEN
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) ANNIE, IRENE, EDITH, ALFRED, THOMAS, MAUD, LESLIE, JANE, MAURICE, EDMUND, GEORGE, TIMOTHY, CAROLINE, ETHEL
Other household member last name CAWKER, APPLEYARD, PILE, COOK, SEABROOKE, STRICKLAND, LEGG, SMITH, FRANCOMBE, CHERRY, MACCARTHY, IRWIN
Street Stedham
Town Stedham
Parish Stedham
City -
Country England
County Sussex
Municipal ward -
Registration district Midhurst
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 974
Folio 98
Page 8
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

.............with daughter Ethel

Ethel M Irwin Pupil - Female 13 1888 Laundress London, England

Father looks to have spent some time in and out of the workhouse:-

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
WILLS, PROBATES, LAND, TAX & CRIMINALView Image
NAME: Angelo John Irwin
BIRTH: 1845
RESIDENCE: 17 Jan 1908 - London, England

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
WILLS, PROBATES, LAND, TAX & CRIMINALView Image
NAME: Angelo John Irwin
BIRTH: abt 1845
RESIDENCE: 17 Jan 1908 - London, England
RESIDENCE: 9 Oct 1909 - London, England

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
WILLS, PROBATES, LAND, TAX & CRIMINALView Image
NAME: Angelo John Irwin
BIRTH: abt 1845
RESIDENCE: 17 Jan 1908 - London, England

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
WILLS, PROBATES, LAND, TAX & CRIMINALView Image
NAME: Angelo John Irwin
BIRTH: abt 1845
RESIDENCE: 29 Aug 1913 - London, England

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
WILLS, PROBATES, LAND, TAX & CRIMINALView Image
NAME: Angelo John Irwin
BIRTH: abt 1845
RESIDENCE: 29 Aug 1913 - London, England

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
WILLS, PROBATES, LAND, TAX & CRIMINALView Image
NAME: Angelo John Irwin
BIRTH: abt 1846
RESIDENCE: 29 Aug 1914 - London, England

Root gatherer you show spouse as Alice, where was this from please. Family member remembers aunt Alice but this doesn't tie with Laura Chinnery.
Also he's not on 1881 age 9 nor 1891 age 19 census with the family.

This looks to be Charles in 1901

Name: Chas Irwin
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Reigate
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 628
Folio: 31
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Coole 50
Joseph Coole 16
David Coole 13
Chas Irwin 19

Same family but no sign of Charles ????

1891
John Irwin Head Married Male 45 1846 Dock Labourer St George in the East, Middlesex, England Transcription
Caroline Irwin Wife Married Female 44 1847 Charwoman Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Robert Irwin Son Single Male 17 1874 Toy Manufacturer Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Caroline Irwin Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Annie Irwin Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Ethel Irwin Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

The family in 1881?

John Irwin Head Married Male 33 1848 Labourer Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Caroline Irwin Wife Married Female 32 1849 Box Maker (W B) Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
James Darmore Step Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Robert Irwin Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Mary A Irwin Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Caroline Irwin Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England