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Looking for my grandmother Lilian Ashworth nee Horrocks
DOB 1885 Padiham,Lancs,
Married Willie Ashworth 1902 Nelson,Lancs
Stanley Ashworth DOB May & 1908.My father.
Stanley was in Burnley workhouse age 2 cannot find Lilian.
Any help appreciated.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
40 Bivel St Whittlefield Burnley Lancashire, Burnley, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Elizabeth Ann Whitford Wife Widow Female - 48 1863 Poole Cornwall
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Bessie Hannah Whitford Daughter Single Female Weaver Cotton 26 1885 Dalton in Fur Lancashire
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Samuel Moses Whitford Son Single Male Dye Mixer 20 1891 Roose Lancashire
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Sophia Elizabeth Olivia Whitford Daughter Single Female Weaver Cotton 17 1894 Roose Lancashire
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Gertrude May Whitford Daughter - Female Weaver Cotton 17 1894 Roose Lancashire
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Lilian Iris May Whitford Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Roose Lancashire
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John Francis Skews Whitford Son Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 28 1883 Dalton in Fur Lancashire
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Nora Whitford Daughter In Law Married Female - 27 1884 Clonmel Ireland Resident
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Lilian Ashworth Boarder Married Female Weaver Cotton 26 1885 Padiham Lancashire *******


Married 7 years - 5 children born (3 have died) - 2 children sill alive.

Dea x

I 'think' these are 3 of her children?

Baptism: 18 Oct 1903 St Mary the Virgin, Goosnargh, Lancashire, England
William Mason Ashworth - Son of William Ashworth & Lilian
Born: 24 Aug
Abode: Simpson's Farm Whittingham
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: J. T. Kerby
Register: Baptisms 1867 - 1905, Page 94, Entry 745
Source: Original Register filmed by LAN_OPC

Baptism: 13 Jan 1907 St Mary the Virgin, Goosnargh, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Mabel Ashworth - dr. of William Ashworth & Lilian
Abode: Whittingham
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: J. T. Kerby
Register: Baptisms 1906 - 1957, Page 3, Entry 24
Source: Original Register filmed by LAN_OPC

Baptism: 21 Jun 1908 St Mary the Virgin, Goosnargh, Lancashire, England
Thomas Wilfrid Ashworth - son of William Ashworth & Lilian
Abode: Whittingham
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: J. T. Kerby
Register: Baptisms 1906 - 1957, Page 7, Entry 51
Source: Original Register filmed by LAN_OPC

Dea x

Thank you Dea,
I did find this in the 1911 Census but Lilian was married in 1902 so should say married 9 years.
The names and Olivia and Lilian are in the Whitford family and Lilians mother was Olivia Mary Horrocks nee Dugdale.I was trying to find a family link here??

The two children still alive would be Stanley my father and Ida Frances his half sister both in the Union workhouse in Burnley in 1911.
How could I find the name and DOB of her 3 children who died ?

What do you know about Willie Ashworth please? - Do you have the marriage cert?

Dea x

Diane


Dea posted the possible births of the other 3,children take a look on FreeBMD for possible deaths for them

Thank you Dea,
On my fathers birth cert it shows Father,William Ashworth Mother Lilian Ashworth nee Horrocks, a cotton Weaver.
He was born at,1 Oxford Terrace,Bishop Auckland,Co Durham,7 May 1908.
No idea why there.
I found a marriiage of Willie Ashworth and Lilian Horrocks January 28 1902
St JohnsChurch,Great Marsden, Reg Dist,Burnley which I am sure is the correct one though it is not William Ashworth.
Hope I am not following the wrong family,my father knew so little of his family he was in the workhouse until age 12.He did say his father died in W W !

On Dec 12th 1909 my aunt Ida Frances Ashworth was born in the Hackney workhouse London my father Stanley was there with his mother Lilian.
Lilian was staying in Hackney with John Hanson and Edith Lister the two people who signed as a the Witness on her marriage certificate.
Lilian must have moved back to Burnley soon after and when the children were put in the workhouse she puts their birthplace as Burnley ?

This is the only Ida Frances birth I can see but it's in London

Births Mar 1910
ASHWORTH Ida Frances Hackney 1 b. 473

Ties though with 12 month old Ida Ashworth in the Burnley workhouse in 1911,

Presume her dad wasnt willie/ William which is why she is a half sister

Edit our posts crossed :-)

So what age was Willie on their marriage cert and who was his dad

Have you found him on the 1911 census

On the face of it they had separated which maybe was why the children were in the workhouse so Lilian could work

Would think that 1911 census is her but the info put in was by the head of family and they got the info wrong or she was asked how long were you together so she repled up to when they separated

Was Lilian telling porkies as can onky see the one Ida Frances on the birth records


Name: Ida Frances Ashworth
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1909
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1910
Parish: Preston, St Mary, Lancashire, England
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Father: Robert Henry Ashworth
Mother: Lilian Ashworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: Pr 3025/1/7

Ida Ashworth
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1909
Admission Age: 0
Admission Date: 31 Jan 1910
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1909-1910

With Lilian only

Just because it came up !!!

She went in twice


Name: Stanley Ashworth
Birth Date: 7 May 1907
Admission Age: 2
Admission Date: 2 Oct 1909
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1909-1910
With Lilian

????

Name: Frances Ashworth
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1909
Date of Registration: Jul 2001
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire, Lincolnshire
Register Number: B75A
District and Subdistrict: 0021B
Entry Number: 198

I was not sure but I do have a birth cert for Ida Frances Ashworth,born at 170 Homerton High St,Hacney Middx.
mother Lilian Ashworth formerly Horrocks of 25 Belgrave St,Nelson,Lancs.Reg 6th Jan 1910
I have have no idea why Lilian would be in Hackney unless visiting the two people she knew from her marriage.

Willie Ashworth was 18 when he marriedLilian his father was Goerge Ashworth born 1846 Blacko,Lancs,his mother was Kezia Doyle Everson born 1847 Bramley,Yorks.
Did not find him in the 1911 Census but my father said he was told Willie died in Ww! I found a Willie Ashworth age 30 died October 28th 1914 Killed in action.I think this is him.

Willie Ashworth 28th October 1914 .Killed in Action. YPRES,Belgium.
Name is on Mennin Gate Memorial.

That could be Ida just using her middle name of Frances.
From the Burnley Library in the 80s I was told that from their records
Ida Frances was fostered at age 5 to a family with a Grocers shop in Wigan.
Just to confuse me even more my grandmother had another child ,
Alice Martins Ashworth, born 6th Feb 1912 at 12 Dickson St,Burnley
Lilian was living at 14 Clough St,Burnley the home of a Thomas Martins and family.
Alice was fostered as an infant I did trace her she had married a Hubert Clegg but died 4 years before i made contact but I have a cousin Heather who I have .met

Baptism
Name: Lilian Horrocks
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1883
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1883
Parish: Padiham, Lancashire, England
Father: William Horrocks
Mother: Olivia Mary Horrocks
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: Pr 2863/1/10
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Church Lane End, Padiham, Burnley, Lancashire, England

William Horrocks Head Married Male 31 1860 Weaver Cotton Ramsbottom, Lancashire,
Oliver Horrocks Wife Married Female 32 1859 Weaver Cotton Padiham, Lancashire,
Lilian Horrocks Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Padiham, Lancashire,
Margaret A Horrocks Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Padiham, Lancashire,
Fred Horrocks Son - Male 2 1889 - Padiham, Lancashire,
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Ormerod Street, Nelson, Burnley, Lancashire, England
William Horrocks Head Married Male 41 1860 Cotton Weaver Ramsbottom, Lancashire,
Olivia Horrocks Wife Married Female 43 1858 Cotton Winder Padiham, Lancashire,
Lily Horrocks Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Cotton Weaver Padiham, Lancashire
Maggie Horrocks Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Cotton Weaver Padiham, Lancashire
Fred Horrocks Son Single Male 12 1889 Cotton Weaver Halftimer Padiham, Lancs

Burnley Express - Wednesday 17 October 1906

NELSON WEAVER STEALS PURSES
Lily Ashworth (23) weaver of Nelson for stealing purses at Heysham, belonging to Leeds and East Lancashire visitors, was sentenced to four months imprisonment.
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Burnley Express - Saturday 01 September 1906

NELSON YOUNG WOMAN COMMITTED FOR TRIAL

There was a painful scene at Lancaster yesterday morning, when Lily Ashworth a Nelson young woman with a baby in her arms was charged with stealing a purse.....
When it came to taking her child from her the prisoner burst into tears. The court decided to leave the matter between the governor of the gaol and the relieving officer.
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Another article on the same subject states that Lily had been in custody at Heysham and said her husband was a soldier.

Thank you Austin Q,time delay on reply I am in BC Canada.

This may have been my grandmother Lilian /Lily.
Poor woman I wonder what happened to the child if she went to prison.
This Lily Ashworth would have been in prison until March 1907 my Lilian
had to be living with her husband Willie Ashworth by June 1907
as my father Stanley was born 7th May 1908

if this is my Lilian her going to prison could be why she is on her own and putting her children in the workhouse.
I remember the workhouse admission register for Hackney it said she was abandoned but I thought it was because Ida Frances was not from her marriage and Willie had left her.
So hard to piece together bits of info together but I can see all this may work..
My early research papers 1985 while living in London were lost in a house move so I am tracing a lot from memory and it is getting harder.
Thank you everyone for your interest and help.

1911?? 7,Gray Street Nelson
William Ashworth a cotton weaver age 27 born Barrowford married
He was down as a visitor
head of house
Edwin Heath age 30.

Maryb.