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We recently discovered, after our mother's death, that the family have owned a burial plot since 1916. After further research, we have learned that it is the grave of our great grandparents, but there is also a two year old child in the grave. We have the child's name but we would like to research her exact DOB and consequently find out who her parents were. Does anyone have any advice?

Hi Barbara.
Have you asked at the cemetery for details of the child. Do you know when she was buried.

Sylvia

I could have a look for you if you have some details

Sylvia

If you post the name and year/place of death for the child someone may be able to help

if you have her name you should be able to find the death cert ref . The cert usually says daughter of and the fathers name on the actual cert .

could say daughter of and the mums name if the child was illegitimate

I'm hoping that posting details will not cause upset to anyone. Her name is Dorothy Llewellyn and she was born in 1927 and died in 1929. My family lived in Birmingham at the time.

her death

Deaths Mar 1929
Llewellyn Dorothy 2 Birmingham N 6d 989

edited out so as not to confuse, as Shirley has posted a more likely one :-)

Likely birth as she would still be two years old at death

Births Sep 1926
Llewellyn Dorothy Wilkes Birmingham N 6d 809

looks like her parents

Marriages Sep 1925
Llewellyn John Wilkes Birmingham S. 6d 317
Wilkes Dora Llewellyn Birmingham S. 6d 317

edit seems to have been an only child

possible birth for the mum
Births Jun 1892
Wilkes Dora Birmingham 6d 96

possibly on the 1911 census
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
112 Wigorn Road Bearwood Birmingham, Oldbury, Staffordshire, England


Ada Wilkes Head Widow Female Domestic Duties 51 1860 New Spring street Birmingham
Ada Wilkes Daughter Single Female Warehouse 23 1888 Canada
William Wilkes Son Single Male Plumber 20 1891 Sparkbrook Bham
Dora Wilkes Daughter Single Female Shop Assistant 18 1893 Threeshire Oak Rd Bearwood Bham

widow ,3 children born all living

and 1901 census

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
112, Three Shires Oak Road, Smethwick (Staffordshire), Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England


William Wilkes Head Married Male 41 1860 Painter & Decorator Walsall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Ada Wilkes Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Ada Ellen Wilkes Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - - Transcription
William G Wilkes Son Single Male 10 1891 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Dora Wilkes Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Transcription

John and Dora 1927


Name:
Dora Llewellyn
Year:1927
Ward or Division/Constituency:Erdington
Street address:4 court 2 Drayton terrace, Washwood Heath
Residence Place:Birmingham

Andy

Thank you so much. It's just what we thought. My sister and I lived with our grandparents until 1952. Next door lived my grandmother's brother and his wife who we have believed all our lives, were childless. However, this was the only explanation for a child sharing the grave of our great grandparents.
We want to buy a headstone for the grave but although we know the dates of the deaths, we need to know their DOB for the inscription on the headstone. How do we find out?

I presume Wilkes is Dora's maiden name.

Hi Barbara, John Llewellyn was your grandmother's brother?

so it is the dates of birth of his and her parents you are wanting to find?

you would need their actual birth certificates for that information.

the 1911 census would show their ages on the date of the census, and you could use the ages to look for the birth records at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

if you want to give their names and your grandmother's given name, to be certain of finding the right family in 1911, someone will give you the household info from that census

if you don't know your great-grandmother's birth surname, you will need to find their marriage

the 1911 census also says how long a couple was married, to help with finding that


edit - yes, Wilkes was Dora's surname

before 1911, the mother's birth surname is not shown in the index, so your grandmother's birth and her brother's birth will not show your great-grandmother's surname, without having their birth certificates

someone has

Dorothy Llewellyn 1926 Birmingham

but she would more likely be the Dorothy E born the same quarter

John and Dora were older than I had assumed

1939 register

Dora Llewellyn 1896 Birmingham C.B. Warwickshire
John Llewellyn 1885 Birmingham C.B. Warwickshire

so you will likely have to find your great-grandparents with their children in an earlier census than 1911

I see a possible family in 1901

let us know if you need help finding your great-grandparents' birth records in the index

once you have them, you order the certificates here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

My great grandfather is John Llewellyn , married to Ellen Llewellyn. He was born in 1856/7 and died 14.07.1925. She was born in 1860 and died 24.01.1916. I don't know my great grandmother's maiden name.....yet!
I really appreciate all this expertise.