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27 Dec 2015 21:06 |
John Henry with family 1871?
Name:John H Cook Age:4 Estimated birth year:abt 1867 Relation:Son Father's name:Joseph Cook Mother's name:Elizabeth Cook Gender:Male Where born:Scarborough, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish:Burley Ecclesiastical parish:Burley Town:Burley County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Registration district:Wharfedale Sub-registration district:Otley ED, institution, or vessel:4 Household schedule number:187 Piece:4302 Folio:60 Page Number:39 Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cook 32 Coachman Elizabeth Cook 33 William G Cook 10 Walter Cook 7 John H Cook 4 Ellen Cook 12 Andy
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Frances
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27 Dec 2015 21:18 |
Thank you Chris, the references to PricklyHolly's posts are spot on and I have used that info in my tree. The problem has been I have been doing so much recently my brain isn't quite keeping up all the time, or I have inadvertently dropped it into the wrong Word file. However I am unable to understand the relevance to the first half of your post, ref Margaret Dixon - the name doesn't ring any bells ?
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27 Dec 2015 21:19 |
1861?
Glandford Brigg in Lincolnshire
Joseph Cook 23 Elizabeth Cook 23 Margaret Cook 3 Elen Cook 2 William G Cook 8/12
and possible marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cook Joseph Glanford Brigg 7a 1020 Dixon Elizabeth Glanford Brigg 7a 1020
A Dixon connection?. Nots ure how it fits, if at all.
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27 Dec 2015 21:23 |
(posted earlier, looks to be Margaret, not Martha)
Chris :)
DetEcTive+++ Report 27 Dec 2015 18:15
Scarborough came from a 1881? (need to check- yes is correct) census
Eastmoor Cottage, Ilkley, Wharfedale, Yorkshire, England Joseph Cook Head Married Male 42 1839 Coachman D Lincolnshire, England Elizabeth Cook Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Bigby, Lincolnshire, England Martha D Cook Daughter Single Female 23 1858 - Bigby, Lincolnshire, England Wm G Cook Son Single Male 20 1861 Printer Bonby, Lincolnshire, England Walter Cook Son Single Male 17 1864 Saddler Thornton, Lincolnshire, England John H Cook Son Single Male 14 1867 - Scarborough, Yorkshire, England <<
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Frances
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27 Dec 2015 21:27 |
That looks great Andy. Were the other children born in Scarborough too?
Sorry, I'm too slow for you cos now you have provided Glandford Brigg!
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27 Dec 2015 21:36 |
From the 1861 and 1881 censuses, both posted earlier, other children were born in Lincolnshire.
In the 1871, which Andy posted, William G was born Bonby, Lincs; Walter in Thornton, Lincs.; and Ellen in Bonby, Lincs.
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27 Dec 2015 21:45 |
Births Dec 1863 (>99%) COOK Walter Glanford B 7a 678
Births Dec 1860 (>99%) COOK William George Glanford B 7a 574
Births Jun 1859 (>99%) COOK Ellen Glanford B 7a 614
Apologies if already posted - I haven't read the whole thread.
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Frances
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27 Dec 2015 21:47 |
Thank you ArgyllGran, info noted, though I have to admit to not recognising the names of the villages, at present.
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27 Dec 2015 23:56 |
Area covered by Glanford B(rigg) reg district http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/glanford%20brigg.html
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Frances
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28 Dec 2015 14:48 |
Trouble again !!
Yesterday Andy found the marriage (FreeBMD style) at Glandford Brigg - a few lines above. Now I have been trying to take this couple back further and come up with
1851 Census George Dixon Head M 37 Barnetby, Lincolnshire Margret Dixon Wife F 35 Whadingham, Lincolnshire Elizabeth Dixon Daughter F 13 Whadingham, Lincolnshire John Dixon Son M 11 Searby, Lincolnshire William Dixon Son M 10 Bigby, Lincolnshire Mary Dixon Daughter F 6 Bigby, Lincolnshire Charles Dixon Son M 3 Bigby, Lincolnshire George Dixon Son M 1 Bigby, Lincolnshire
which is a good match but I wondered if anybody could see tha marriage with the brides father named, to prove the connection?
Many thanks, Frances
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Andrew
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28 Dec 2015 15:02 |
Can't see marriage record atm, but this is her baptism which confirms the 1851 census you have found
Name:Elizabeth Dixon Gender:Female Baptism Date:1837 Baptism Place:Waddingham, Lincoln, England Father: George Dixon Mother: Margaret FHL Film Number:1450448 Reference ID:- 2:2XG2FB1
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Frances
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28 Dec 2015 15:10 |
Thank you Andy, if you're convinced, I'm convinced....
Now to find similar for Joseph.
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Andrew
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28 Dec 2015 17:43 |
Well both 1871 and 1861 say Joseph born Ulceby, so
Name:Joseph Cook Gender:Male Baptism Date:20 May 1838 Baptism Place:Ulceby, Lincoln, England Father: Joseph Cook Mother: Mary FHL Film Number:1450447 Reference ID:item 4 p 63
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Andrew
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28 Dec 2015 17:48 |
1851
Name:Joseph Cook Age:12 Estimated birth year:abt 1839 Relation:Son Father's name:Joseph Cook Mother's name:Mary Cook Gender:Male Where born:Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish:Ulceby Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island:Lincolnshire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district:Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district:Barton ED, institution, or vessel:2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number:41 Piece:2118 Folio:44 Page Number:14 Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cook 45 Ag Labourer born Elsham Mary Cook 38 born Searby? Ellin Cook 15 >>>>> Joseph Cook 12 John Cook 10 Charles Cook 10 George Cook 6 Thomas Cook 2 Andy
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28 Dec 2015 18:16 |
1841
Name:Joseph Cook Age:45 Estimated birth year:abt 1796 Gender:Male Where born:Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish:Ulceby Hundred:Yarborough (North Division) County/Island:Lincolnshire Country:England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district:Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district:Barton Neighbors: View others on page Piece:647 Book:20 Folio:7 Page Number:6 Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cook 45 Mary Cook 25 Ellen Cook 6 Joseph Cook 3 John Cook Twins 18w Charles Cook Twins 18w
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Andrew
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28 Dec 2015 18:49 |
Possibles ONLY
Marriage
Name:Joseph Cook Gender:Male Marriage Date:5 May 1832 Marriage Place:Riby, Lincoln, England Spouse: Mary Wilmore FHL Film Number:1541935 Reference ID: M03112-1
Mary Baptism (place of birth from 1851)
Name:Mary Wilmour Gender:Female Baptism Date:24 May 1812 Baptism Place:Searby Cum Owmby,Lincoln,England Father: George Wilmour Mother: Elizabeth FHL Film Number:435978, 508036
and Joseph
Name:Joseph Cook Gender:Male Birth Place: Elsham, Lincoln, England Baptism Date:15 Feb 1807 Baptism Place:Elsham, Lincoln, England Father: Joseph Cook Mother: Mary FHL Film Number:1450444 Reference ID:1763
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Name:Joseph Cook Gender:Male Birth Place:Elsham, Lincoln, England Baptism Date:26 Feb 1809 Baptism Place:Elsham, Lincoln, England Father: Joseph Cook Mother: Mary FHL Film Number:1450444 Reference ID:1782
Both might be the same person.
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28 Dec 2015 19:28 |
From DetEcTive's link:
GLANFORD BRIGG REGISTRATION DISTRICT Sub-districts : Barton, Brigg, Scunthorpe, Winterton. Registers currently held at : North Lincolnshire.
Now the local index for N Lincs is online via: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
I was interested to try this index out as I've neer used this one.
Here's the names ArgyllGran posted year Surname Forename Second forename Third forename Fourth forename RegisterNumber EntryNumber 1859 COOK Ellen BA1/17 16 1860 COOK William G BA1/18 160 1863 COOK Walter BA1/20 398
It looks like all were rego'ed in the Barton subdistrict.
I've never used this index, and wondered what a death looked like. Here's a random 1860 death from the Brigg subdistrict - unfortunately, no age is given: Surname Forename First initial Second initial Maiden name RegisterNumber EntryNumber COOK Charlotte BR1/10 450
Here's the look up for the marr Andy posted - the GRO index only has two names on that page
Surname Forename First initial Second initial Maiden name Book number Entry number COOK Joseph RO.2 161 DIXON Elizabeth RO.2 161
Here's a random GRO index lookup:
Marriages Jun 1857 (>99%) COOK Sarah Glanford Brigg 7a 1371 Maw Ann Glanford Brigg 7a 1371 Maw George Glanford Brigg 7a 1371 Turner Charles Glanford Brigg 7A 1371
and the corresponding local index lookups:
COOK Sarah C 35.1 320 MAW Ann C 35.1 321 MAW George C 35.1 321 TURNER Charles C 35.1 320
From the entry #s, we can see the Maws wed each other.
This index decodes nothing for us - it's not hard to guess BA=Barton & BR=Brigg, but what church C35 is code for is a mystery. The C prefix usually indicates a C of E church, as it does here - pre-1898, only Jews, Quakers, C of E (and the registrar) were authorized to keep official marr registers. The local index often uses J or S; Q or F; or some code beginning with R for these other alternatives.
After 1898, non-conformists could be authorized to keep official marr rego's - often coded by A - although the RCs chose not to apply until 1980-ish.
If a marr was held in a non-conformist church/chapel, a registrar would need to attend with his official marr rego for the couple to sign to conclude the ceremony, so your Cook-Dixon couple could have wed in a rego office, or in a non-conformist church - the code doesn't distinguish so far as I can tell.
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31 Dec 2015 00:12 |
a note on Andrew's Joseph Cook baptisms
unless there were two Joseph and Mary Cook couples having children at the same time ...
Joseph 1809 was probably a 'replacement' for Joseph 1807 who died in infancy or early childhood
very common phenomenon
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LondonBelle
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1 Jan 2016 09:55 |
Getting back to the Post 14:48 28.12
Possible Marriage?
04 Aug 1837, Waddingham, Lincolnshire Groom: George Dixon Groom's Father William Dixon Bride Margaret Spinley Bride's Father John Spinley
Edit
Just re-read post and think you were looking for Marriage John Cook & Elizabeth Dixon; will leave this post in case it comes in handy later!
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Frances
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3 Jan 2016 10:40 |
Oh dear, now I am really in trouble. I have just come across all these wonderful additions to my thread, that I saw after I had added the new thread, which some of you will see as a repetition. With all that has gone on recently I had totally forgotten about it. Mea culpa ?
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