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14 Dec 2015 21:39 |
Thank you JoonieCloonie for the guidance about amending Ancestry's transcriptions - have updated for HBH.
Seems that his brother Stewart probably didn't marry/have children so we the descendants will be the ones to have the pleasure of all this wonderful writing. :-D
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14 Dec 2015 21:14 |
I missed this one last night ................
Deaths. On Monday, the 24th inst., at No. 81, Milton Street, Dorset Square, aged 7 years, Matilda, youngest child ol the late Rev. Stewart William Hanna, Incumbent of St. James’s, Marylebone.
28 January 1853 - Evening Mail - London, London,
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14 Dec 2015 21:01 |
there was another one ..............because I found a Stewart George Hanna living in Queensland .............. posting below at 13 Dec 2015 01:48 and copied over to here:-
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Hanna Stewart G — — 1885 Queensland directories Queensland, Australia
Hanna Stewart George — — 1903 Queensland electoral rolls Queensland, Australia
Hanna Stewart George — — 1906 Queensland electoral rolls Queensland, Australia
Hanna Stewart George — — — Cyclopedia of New Zealand v2 Auckland New Zealand
Unfortunately, the images for the above don't seem to show Stewart George Hanna ?????
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could this one be a descendant
OR just a member of the Hanna family from Ireland (where Stewart William and his first wife were born). My researching last night did seem to show a usage of the same or very similar names.
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14 Dec 2015 20:16 |
well that's better!
somebody needed an abacus :-)
if he had been married, one would think it would have named his wife, but perhaps not necessarily if she was not part of London society?
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Chris Ho :)
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14 Dec 2015 19:36 |
02 August 1893 - London Evening Standard - London, London, England
Death July 2. at Naini Tal. India, aged 59. Stewart Hanna , C.E., son of the late Rev. S.W. Hanna, formerly incumbent of St. James's Chapel. London.
Chris :)
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14 Dec 2015 18:21 |
now I'm wondering ... your Stewart was 17 in 1851 so born c1834?
KathleenBell posted this earlier I see, but to review:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGGG-Q47
Stewart Hanna - India Deaths and Burials Name Stewart Hanna Gender Male Burial Date 03 Jul 1893 Burial Place Naini Tal, Bengal, India Death Date 02 Jul 1893 Age 68 > Birth Date 1825 > Occupation Engineer Marital Status Unknown
might there have been another one? :-S
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14 Dec 2015 18:12 |
the link for correcting is over on the left of the individual record, and says
'Add alternate information'
on the pop-up form, as you fill in each item, you get the next item to fill in (reason for correction, what you're correcting, explanation, etc - be sure to state that you're related, I hate coming across corrections and not knowing whether the person is a family member!)
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14 Dec 2015 18:05 |
Here is an excerpt from the handwritten journal that I am transcribing, where my GGGA mentions 'Mr. Hanna'; the journal begins on September 27 1889. It is absolutely fascinating and luckily she goes into tremendous detail about her surroundings and the marches that they make to various places [although when she writes 'march', it actually means that she and her sister Rosamond [R below] are carried by the kulis in dhandis!! The kulis do all the hard work. "Tuesday Novr 5. 1889 Went out early, up the hill, & along it, passing Page 48. behind Mr. Hanna’s[71a], by the tennis ground of the old Government House[72], & so down past the Post Office. R had never been along these paths before & was charmed with them." Etc.,etc. The numbered footnotes are my research as I go along with the transcription. :-)
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14 Dec 2015 17:33 |
JoonieCloonie and ChrisHo - again, you are officially wizards at this game. When I made my last post, I was just in the throes of going to collect my car which had been very poorly for the last week - even though it was new! I hadn't looked properly at ChrisHo's amazing find - apologies.
Of course, it is indeed my HBH's brother Stewart George and with that wonderfully helpful description of his Raj career. Whoopee.
I wonder if he married/had offspring?? If he had children, it would be a wonderful end to this story if I could offer them a copy of the handwritten journal by my GGA where she mentions him several times .............. Can you see a marriage for him, please?
BTW, I see that HBH's baptism record on ancestry in 1851 has the incorrect middle name of 'Bethina'. In the past, I've made corrections on Ancestry but can no longer find the button; have they removed it, or am I being dumb. :-S
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14 Dec 2015 14:55 |
Nicola, surely (unless I have completely failed to grasp the thread on a quick read) it would have been Stewart, who was an engineer and was granted a patent in 1871 (good finds Chris Ho)
I had mainly wanted to mention that the ages of the Frances and children in the 1851 census had caught my eye immediately and certainly suggested a second marriage ... disparity between ages of husband and wife, and the young age of that Frances made her unlikely to be the mother of at least the eldest children
so the death of Frances C in 1850 and marriage to Frances E in 1851 would be correct
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14 Dec 2015 14:04 |
Gosh, you've all been so busy - when do you sleep!
Julian's career in the Merchant Navy is interesting, but in view of his below post I don't think the book can be referring to this brother of HBH: bother, this site won't let me cut and paste so here is the link to the book and page number: "British Administration in Kumaon Himalayas", pages 134-135. A "Mr. Hanna" is credited with the notion of constructing a wire ropeway between Kathgodam and Nainital [HBH, who may or may not be his brother, was married in Nainital two years later in 1889]. Everything looks to be a lovely coincidence of names and places and years, but I can't pinpoint which of HBH's brothers the above may be. Can you see any of the other brothers in adulthood with an occupation which may 'fit', please? :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Dec 2015 06:43 |
http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/
(above useful)
Chris :)
Entry from Patents of invention for British India, 1856-90 Patent no. 507 Surname Hanna First names Stewart George Date registered 23 Feb 1871 Short title Hydro-pneumatic excavator Place Sirhind Canal, Punjab Rank Civil engineer & Executive Engineer Unit Public Works Department Reference Indian patent
Entry from Deaths 1893 Year 1893 month Jul day 2 Register Entry July 2nd at Naini Tal SG Hanna late a CE PWD Edition Year 1893 Edition Date 17 Jul
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php
(Families in British India Society. Above useful)
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13 Dec 2015 05:59 |
Do you have this, Frances Elizabeth's burial
England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991
First name(s) Frances Elizabeth Colvin Last name Hanna Gender Female Marital status - Occupation - Event year 1895 Birth year - Age at death - Burial year 1895 Burial date 19 Feb 1895 Burial place South Bersted, Sussex, England Place South Bersted County Sussex Country England Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom
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13 Dec 2015 05:45 |
in the 1851 Census, Frances E Hanna is shown as born in India, so this must be her in later censuses, but without any of the children
1861 Census
Name: Frances Hanna Age: 40 Estimated birth year: 1821 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: East Indies Civil Parish: Stoke Town: Guildford County/Island: Surrey
1871 Census
Name: Frances Hanna Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: East Indies Civil Parish: Stoke next Guildford Town: Guildford County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Guildford
so were the children all left to go their own ways???
and if so, where are they ......... Rhoda appears in 1861, then not again until 1891. Edith doesn't appear until 1891, etc etc
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13 Dec 2015 05:37 |
I don't know whether you have this .............
Index to Death Duty Registers Transcription
First name(s) Stewart Wm Last name Hanna Death year 1851 Residence MILTON ST DORSET SQRE County - Court Canterbury Prerogative Court Record set Index to Death Duty Registers 1796-1903 National Archives reference IR27/60 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Wills & probate Collections from United Kingdom
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Revd Stewart Wm
Administrator/Administrix of Estate:- Frances E C Hanna, of Milton St, Dorset Square
England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991
First name(s) Stewart William Last name Hanna Gender Male Marital status - Occupation - Event year 1851 Birth year - Age at death - Burial year 1851 Burial date 07 Jun 1851 Burial place Wonston, Hampshire, England Place Wonston County Hampshire Country England Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom
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13 Dec 2015 05:12 |
???? Stewart William's first wife??
Deaths Mar 1850 (>99%)
HANNA Frances Catherine Stepney 2 352
from FMP ...........
England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991
First name(s) Frances Catherine Last name Hanna Gender Female Marital status - Occupation - Event year 1850 Birth year - Age at death - Burial year 1850 Burial date 09 Jan 1850 Burial place Wonston, Hampshire, England Place Wonston County Hampshire Country England Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom
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13 Dec 2015 04:47 |
Interestingly, that 1841 census that has the unnamed child on it .................
the census image shows it as a male child BUT then Rhoda is the only child born in 1841 :-S
so I think that the child's age was put in the wrong column, the male column instead of the female one
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13 Dec 2015 04:44 |
from ancestry
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Rhoda Catherine Georgianna Hanna Probate Date: 28 Jan 1910 Registry: London, England Death Date: 21 Jan 1909 Death Place: Surrey, England
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of 5 Amerland Rd, Wandsworth, Surrey, died 21 Jan 1909. Probate [granted] London 28 Jan 1910 to Henry Bathurst Hanna retired colonel H.M. Army. Effects £32 15s 11d
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Edith Frances Margaret Hanna Probate Date: 22 Jan 1910 Registry: London, England Death Date: 19 Jun 1909 Death Place: Surrey, England
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of 5 Amerland Road, Wandsworth, Surrey, spinster, died 19 Jun 1909 at Heathmere, Petersfield, Hampshire. Probate [granted] London 22 Jan 1910 to Henry Bathurst Hanna, retired colonel H.M Army. Effects £125 3s
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13 Dec 2015 03:18 |
from fmp
England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991
First name(s) Rhoda Last name Hanna Gender Female Marital status - Occupation - Event year 1909 Birth year - Age at death - Burial year 1909 Burial date 25 Jan 1909 Burial place Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England Place Wandsworth County Surrey Country England Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom
and Edith buried in the same cemetery ........
England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991
First name(s) Edith Frances Margaret Last name Hanna Gender Female Marital status - Occupation - Event year 1909 Birth year - Age at death - Burial year 1909 Burial date 23 Jun 1909 Burial place Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England Place Wandsworth County Surrey Country England Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom
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13 Dec 2015 02:57 |
Rhoda in 1861
1861 Census
Name: Rhoda C G Hanna Age: 18 Estimated birth year: 1843 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: N Civil Parish: Newington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Registration district: Newington Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 47 Piece: 339 Folio: 21 Page Number: 10
Helen H Tate 55 Wilfred Tate 24 Georgiana Tate 19 Scholar Rhoda C G Hanna 18 Scholar Matilda Hulbert 20
Address:- 16 Sutherland Square
tempting to suggest she and Georgiana are friends ??????
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