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Charles May born 1792 - 1859 Bethnal Green

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Jonathan

Jonathan Report 4 Dec 2015 12:46

Thank you so much! It's great to have those extra details to put in there!

Potty

Potty Report 4 Dec 2015 11:25

From Ancestry - details of Charles's probate:

of 46 Fontayne Road Stoke Newington Common Middlesex silver thimble and silver-mounted smelling bottle manufacturer died 11 April 1892 Probate London 30th April 1892 to Esther May widow and John May and Josiah Charles May silver thimble and silver-mounted smelling bottle manufacturers Effects £3054 18s 1d

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Dec 2015 09:25

13 April 1892 - Dundee Courier - Dundee, Angus, Scotland

Deaths
On the 11th inst., Charles Croxton May, of 46 Fountayne Road, Stoke Newington, London, in his 76th year.

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

Chris :)

Jonathan

Jonathan Report 3 Dec 2015 22:29

Thank you Malcolm and Potty. I joined the Australian Huguenot society a few years ago and am currently waiting back to hear from them on these latest finds. I'll start Googling the hospital today to see what records I can find.

Thank you again.

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 3 Dec 2015 16:54

I am a MAY,i was told once MAY was French and it could of been De-MAY or Le-MAY.

Potty

Potty Report 3 Dec 2015 13:14

The French Hospital included Almshouses, so I would guess that is where the French Aunt lived. The Hospital is no longer in London but has relocated to Rochester, Kent.

There is a lot about it if you google. The records are very comprehensive - the following from familysearch:

The Huguenot Library has much more unpublished charity material as well.

Marmoy’s splendid series on the vast records of the French Protestant Hospital called La Providence, at Rochester in Kent was published in the Quarto Series as volumes 52 and 53. It has extracts relating to all inmates and unsuccessful applicants 1718-1957 as well as for the Coqueau Charity 1745-1901, with details such as appear below.


Sarah Elizabeth CLARKE, applicant
Entered 31 Mar 1880, deceased 22 Jul 1880. Of 133 Columbia Square, Bethnal Green. Spinster d/o James and Sarah Clarke. Born 26 Oct 1823 in Busby Street, Bethnal Green. Mother was a d/o Elizabeth Vatin, a member of French Protestant church until her death. Petitioner is niece of Susannah Lawson (also in index) a former recipient of Coqueau Charity. Formerly a weaveress, now supported by waistcoat making, earns about 6/- weekly from the use of her needle. Failing health. In her file are copies of parish register entries for her birth/christening, parents’ marriage, mother Sarah Palmer’s birth/christening and grandparents Joseph Palmer and Elizabeth VATIN’s marriage.

It might be worth contacting the Hugueonot Society:

http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/library-and-archive/collectionsarchive.html

Jonathan

Jonathan Report 3 Dec 2015 01:02

From family writing, I am wondering if our name was Anglicised to May from either Mayern or Maçon when our family came from France as Huguenots. A very elderly relative of mine who passed on a long time ago wrote the following with the family crest which she sent to me from England:

"Tarquet de Mayene Louis de Macon.
The May's Family Huguenot Crest.
An old French Aunt lived in the French Hospital in London and gave Aunt Lydia May the crest before she died. The hospital was bombed in the second world war and is no more. Aunt Connie May, who lived at that time in Westcliff was given the crest by Aunt Lydia. She then moved to Baker Street London and when the war came in 1939, she brought the crest to sister, Evelyn at Chirpford Essex as thought it would be safer with us. After the wall, she told mother to keep it in our hall. Aunt Connie died. It came to Worthing with us in 1970 and I think you should have it to continue with the MAYS."

Although the hospital was bombed, apparently it is still there and operational. Connie and Lydia are there in my records, but I need to work out who the elderly French aunt was so that I can seek hospital records and find that connection to my French past. Aunt Lydia was one of Charles Croxton May's daughters. She was born in 1857 at Shoreditch, Middlesex. She never married, but lived with her sister. She lived to 100 years old and died blind in Rochford Hospital. She received a telegram from King George V on 100th birthday in 1957. The elderly French Aunt needs to have given Lydia the crest maybe some time between maybe 1870 and 1935 or thereabouts? This could have been one of her great aunts - Sophia 1776 - 1861, Henrietta 1787 - 1858, Charlotte 1789 - ? - so Sophia and Henrietta had families of their own, though I can't find out much about Charlotte. There was a record that somebody with her name marrying in West Middlesex when Charlotte would have been 44 years old. There is another one who may have married one of four men in 1839 actually in Shoreditch - but she would have been 50. Then again, it may not have been a French Aunt in her 80s or 90s, the French Aunt may have just been one of her father's sisters rather than one of her father's aunts... I have a puzzle to solve! hahaha

Gee

Gee Report 2 Dec 2015 20:44

Maçon

From school girl French...builder?

What is that you posted Inky and how does that relate to this thread please?

Jonathan

Jonathan Report 2 Dec 2015 20:18

Yes Inky - Maçon - thank you.

Jonathan

Jonathan Report 2 Dec 2015 19:46

Well I have stayed up all night getting my head around all this and entering it into my tree. I could never have done it without you all. Thank you so much.

Gee

Gee Report 2 Dec 2015 18:13

I'm pretty sure that this is the family in 1841. It's really hard to read



Name:Charles Bay <<Silversmith?

Age:55

Estimated birth year:abt 1786

Gender:Male

Where born:Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:St Leonard Shoreditch

Hundred:Ossulstone (Tower Division)

County/Island:Middlesex
Registration district:Shoreditch

Sub-registration district:St Leonard

Piece:709
Book:6
Folio:5
Page Number:2

Charles Bay 55
Henry John 45 <<<Probable wife as age entered is in the 'female' column
Charlotte Bay 25
Mack Bay 20 <<Thimble?
Thomas Bay 10

Gee

Gee Report 2 Dec 2015 17:53

1851 census

Charles May Pask
[Charles May]
[Charles May May]

Age:67

Estimated birth year:abt 1784

Relation:Father-in-law

Spouse's Name:Amsehia Pask

Gender:Male

Where born:London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:St Luke Old Street

Ecclesiastical parish:St Luke

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:St Luke
Sub-registration district:City Road

ED, institution, or vessel:12
Household schedule number:228
Piece:1521
Folio:283
Page Number:52


Oliver Pask 35
Anne Pask 36
Charles May Pask 67 <<Land proprietor
Amsehia Pask 59 <<<Ann
Emmal Pask 23


Gee

Gee Report 2 Dec 2015 17:48


Name:Sophia May

Spouse: Edward Stillwell

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:20 Aug 1844

Parish:St Stephen Coleman Street

Borough:City of London

Father Name:Charles May <<Silversmith

Spouse Father:James Stillwell

Register Type:Parish Register

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1861 census showing Ann with husband (married 1840) her niece (Charlotte's daughter) and her mother


Ann Pask[Ann May]

Age:46

Estimated birth year:1815

Relation:Wife

Spouse's Name:Oliver Pask

Mother's name:Ann May

Gender:Female

Where born:Bethnal Green

Civil Parish:St Luke

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:St Luke

Sub-registration district:City Road

ED, institution, or vessel:9
Household schedule number:61
Piece:203
Folio:36
Page Number:11

Oliver Pask 45
Ann Pask 46
Ann May 68
Ann Stillwell 8


Inky1

Inky1 Report 2 Dec 2015 16:59

Maçon?

Jonathan

Jonathan Report 2 Dec 2015 16:23

Wow! Thank you SO SO Much! You guys are amazing!
The information you have here all fits and rings true. My brick wall is gone for a bit.
I'll take the time to sift through all of this now and enter it in.

From what I can see, you have got some information from Ancestry.com? Should I be joining it as well for the cross over of trees there? Are there other sources where I should be researching? The silvermarks website is interesting. Charles May's mark was CM and Charles Croxton used that though seemed to also use CC. http://www.thimbleselect.com/#!charles-may/c1u4h


I am especially seeking, possibly one sibling of Charles Croxton May, described in family writings as "an old French aunt" that was an inmate of a Huguenot hospital in that area. It seems like Charlotte or Sophia could be it? Again family writings lead me to wonder if the original surname was Mayern or Macon (with the c having that funny french thing on it.)

I'm so excited to have this new information! I'm greatly indebted to you all!

Warmest regards from Australia!

Jonathan May

:-D

Potty

Potty Report 2 Dec 2015 13:59

The Henrietta, witness, on the 1813 marriage could very well be Vandersteen.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Dec 2015 13:14

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
NameHenrietta May
Record TypeBaptism
Baptism Date17 May 1815
Father's NameDaniel May (Silversmith) Fink Street
Mother's NameAnn May
Parish or Poor Law UnionBethnal Green St Matthew
BoroughTower Hamlets
Register TypeParish Registers


England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780 - 1837
Name Henrietta May
Spouse Wm Vanderstein
Marriage Date1812
ParishStepney St Dunstan

1841 England Census
NameHenrietta Vandersteen
Age50
Estimated Birth Yearabt 1791
GenderFemale
Where bornMiddlesex, England
Civil parishBethnal Green
HundredOssulstone (Tower Division)
County/IslandMiddlesex
CountryEngland
Registration districtBethnal Green
Sub-registration districtChurch

Family Members

William Vandersteen 55
Henrietta Vandersteen 50
William Vandersteen 30
Charles Vandersteen 25
George Vandersteen 15



1851 England Census

Name
Henrietta Vandersteen
Age 64
Estimated Birth Year abt 1787
Relation Head
Gender Female
Where born Bethnal Green
Civil parish Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish St Andrew
County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district Church



Household Members

Henrietta Vandersteen 64 (Widow) Needlewoman
William Vandersteen 40

(Res: 48 Seabright Street)

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
NameHenriatta Vandersteen
Probate Date18 Mar 1858
RegistryPrincipal Registry
Death Date10 Feb 1858
Death PlaceMiddlesex, England


Formerly of Seabright Street, Bethnal Green and late of Abernant Place. Died at Abernant Place 10th Feb 1858.

To William John Vandersteen of Abernant Place aforesaid House Agent one of the children of the said deceased.

Effects: Under £200.


Wlliam John Vandersteen
in the London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name:Wlliam John Vandersteen
Baptism Date:28 Apr 1811
Parish:St Matthew, Bethnal Green
County:Middlesex
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Parent(s):
William Vandersteen,
Henretta Vandersteen








Potty

Potty Report 2 Dec 2015 12:21


London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925

Name:Charles May
Birth Date:1784
Admission Date:1817-1818
Father's name:Daniel May

Says he is a Mt (Merchant?) Taylor and that he was granted the Freedom "by patrimony" as his father had also been granted the Freedom.

Potty

Potty Report 2 Dec 2015 12:04

This baptism has a note after it:


Name:Charles May; b 5th Dec 1784
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:9 Nov 1817
Father's name:Daniel May - silversmith
Mother's name:Ann May
Parish or Poor Law Union:
St Anne and St Agnes Aldersgate
Borough:City of London

Note: "I declare that previous to baptizing Charles May I saw in his family bible - Charles May born December 5th 1874. Registered at St Ann (the next word has blot on it) Lane - fairly written and with no marks of interlineation & I believe the above record to be correct. Nov 9 1817 J Hubbins Rector"

Maddie

Maddie Report 2 Dec 2015 11:59

from a tree on ancestry

Daniel May

2 Aug
St Anne Blackfriars, London, England
Register spelled Anne not Ann
2 Sources
Baptism
1752
2 Aug
St Anne Parish, Blackfriars, London, England
"Daniel son of Daniel and Mary May"
2 Sources

Marriage Bond
1775
27 Feb
Age: 22
London, Middlesex, England
Daniel May of parish of St Sepulchre in London, silversmith, paid 200 # to Right Reverend Richard, Lord Bishop of London, for marriage bond between Daniel May, bachelor, of St Sepulchre, London; & Ann Croxton, spinster, of St Giles, Cripplegate, London
1 Source

Marriage to Ann Croxton *
1775
28 Feb
Age: 22
Saint Giles Cripplegate,London,London,England
"Appeared personally Daniel May & made oath that he is of the parish of St Sepulchre London aged upwards of 22 years & a bachelor & intendeth to marry Ann Croxton of the parish of St Giles Cripplegate London & aged upwards of 22 yrs & a spinster"

1 Source
Marriage to Ann Croxton *
1775
28 Feb
Age: 22
St Giles without Cripplegate, England
"Daniel May a batchelor of St Sepulchre and Ann Croxton of this parish spinster were married in this church by license..." signed by both and witnessed by Sarah Shackleton* and Arthur Birch [* could she be a relation of Sarah Shackleton m H Haughton?]
Photos (1)
2 Sources

Residence
1775
Age: 23
St Sepulchre Parish, London, England

Occupation
1775
Age: 23
London, Middlesex, England
silversmith (per baptismal records of children Henrietta and Charles, as well as published information (Grimwade's Biographies))
Photos (1)
Residence
1776
Age: 24
Barking Dog Walk (Hoxton), Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of daughter Sophia Ann

Residence
1782
Age: 30
Hoxton Town, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of son Daniel
Residence
1789
Age: 37
Hare Street, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of daughter Charlotte

Residence
1815
Age: 63
Turk Street, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
per (adult) baptismal record of daughter Henrietta, at St Matthew's, Bethnal Green: "Daniel and Ann May of Turk Street, father's occup silversmith" [Daniel & 2+ subseq generations of Mays were recognized silversmiths & recorded as such in Grimwade's Biog]

Residence
1817
Age: 65
Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
per (adult) baptismal record of son Charles at St Anne and Agnes of Aldersgate: "son of Daniel and Ann May of Bethnal Green; father's occup silversmith"
[Ann had died by now so unclear if Daniel still living--not noted as deceased]

Ann
Birth
1753
Abt.
England
2 Sources
Civil
1775
27 Feb
Age: 22
Surrey, England
Age: 21

1 Source
Marriage to Daniel May *
1775
28 Feb
Age: 22
St Giles without Cripplegate, England
"Daniel May a batchelor of St Sepulchre and Ann Croxton of this parish spinster were married in this church by license..." signed by both and witnessed by Sarah Shackleton* and Arthur Birch [* could she be a relation of Sarah Shackleton m H Haughton?]
Photos (1)
1 Source
Marriage to Daniel May *
1775
28 Feb
Age: 22
Saint Giles Cripplegate,London,London,England
"Appeared personally Daniel May & made oath that he is of the parish of St Sepulchre London aged upwards of 22 years & a bachelor & intendeth to marry Ann Croxton of the parish of St Giles Cripplegate London & aged upwards of 22 yrs & a spinster"
1 Source
Residence
1775
Feb
Age: 22
St Giles Cripplegate, London, England
Residence
1789
Sep
Age: 36
Hare Street, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
per birthplace of daughter Charlotte

children


Sophia Ann May *
1776 – 1861

Daniel May
1779 – 1779

Daniel May
1782 – 1846

Charles May
1784 –

Henrietta May
1787 – 1858

Charlotte May
1789 –

son Charles

1784
5 Dec
London, England
Registered at "St Ann Friars Lane", as per later baptismal record
Marriage to Ann May nee Unknown
1817
before
Age: 33
England
Possibly Ann Brown (1811, Hackney St John)
2 Sources

Baptism
1817
9 Nov
Age: 32
St Anne and St Agnes Aldersgate, England
"I declare that previous to baptizing Charles May-I saw in his family Bible "Charles May b. Dec 5 1784. Registered St Ann Friar's, written, & w no marks of interlineation-& I believe the above record to be correct". Residence B Green, occup silversmith
Occupation
1817
Age: 33
Tyssen Street, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Silversmith, per baptismal record of son Charles
Freedom of the City papers
1817
-1818
Age: 33
London, Middlesex, England
father Daniel May; not sure this is correct as I believe it says he is a "taylor" or M Taylor" (master taylor?)
Residence
1817
Age: 33
Tyssen Street, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of son Charles Croxton May; father's occup silversmith

grandparent

Daniel May

about
England
Several Daniel Mays in London at appropriate time: a clothworker, a baker (who was also a victualler and willed his effects to sons Daniel and John), and a "taylor".
Marriage to Mary May nee Unknown *
1739
Age: 18
London, England
Possible: Danl May, carpenter of St Geo, Southwark m Mary Pratton, 17 Jan 1739 [Mayfair clandestine marriage register]
Residence
1741
Age: 20
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of daughter Mary
Residence
1745
Age: 24
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of Daniel May
Residence
1746
Age: 25
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of daughter Susanna
1 Source
Residence
1749
Age: 28
St Ann's, Blackfriars, Farringdon Within, England
Residence
1749
Age: 28
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of son Richard
1 Source
Residence
1752
Age: 31
St Ann's, Blackfriars, Farringdon Within, England
Residence
1752
Age: 31
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of son Daniel
1 Source
Residence
1754
Age: 33
St Ann's, Blackfriars, Farringdon Within, England
Residence
1754
Age: 33
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of daughter Hester
Residence
1756
Age: 35
Blackfriars, Middlesex, England
per baptismal record of daughter Anne
Juror
1768
14 Jan
Age: 47
Old Bailey Criminal Court, London, Middlesex, England
Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 7.0, 14 August 2014), January 1768 (f17680114-1). {NOTE: I do not have confirmation that this record pertains to this Daniel May; putative only]
Stories (1)
1 Source
Residence
1768
Age: 47
Holy Trinity of Minories parish, London, England
"Poll of the livery of London for 4 citizens to represent said City in Parliament"; occup baker; Minories (Holy Trinity of Minories was a parish which eventually merged with St Botolph's, Bishopsgate) [? another Daniel May lived St Botolph's, m Eliz?]