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trying to trace information relating to Arthur Stevens listed on birth certificate in march 1906 as husband and father occupation is tailors traveller , listed as married to Edith Stevens formely Edith Blackman living at 21 Leonard Road Landport portsea hampshire.

Hi Louise

Is 1906 his marriage certificate or the birth of his child?

Any ages given?

What was the name of the child?

birth certificate 1906 childs given name Maisie Stevens, name changed after adoption

So Maisie is showing as adopted daughter in 1911 of Charles and Sarah Jane Miller do you already have a copy of this census?

Do you know what happened to Edith?

yes i have some knowledge of Miller and Vincent as adoptive family and original short certificate that was passed down through family so i know i have the correct entry. have just got full birth certificate and birth parents names what i know nothing of is any Blackman and Stevens connections what happened to them and any aunts and cousins that i might be missing.i dont know where to go next as i cant seem to track either of them with any evidence that im on the right track, i have no dates other than the birth of child no other places of birth and no confirmation that they were ever married.

There doesn't seem to be a marriage ,unless it was in Scotland .

thanks for looking,havnt got alot to go on.

before i got full birth certificate looking at the census living with Sarah Jane (Crowley) and Charles Vincent in Medway was Rebbeca Crowley listed as mother who was born in gosport married to Jonathan Vincent and there second child was born 1848 in portsea i wondered if there was going to be some link there or if its a naval town connection. seemed like a long way to go to leave a baby on a strangers doorstep not sure i fully believe that story

Well Edith isn't at the same address in 1911

According to the 1901 census that address seems to be a lodging house

& Scotland Census Transcription
21, Leonard Road, Town, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary I Collis Head Widow Female 40 1861 Lodging House Keeper Millwall, Surrey, England
Jesse C Collis Daughter Single Female 15 1886 School Teacher Scotland
Alice M Collis Daughter Single Female 8. 1893. Hampshire

Several others listed too at the same address

mary ann heath 1827 visitor bPortsmouth, Hampshire, England (1851 census)
Rebecca Crowley 1818 wife mathe b.Portsea, Hampshire, England (census 1861)

Yes, I was wondering if there was a connection with either of Maisie's adoptive parents families ie Miller & Vincent; I noted that Sarah Jane's occupation on 1911 census was 'tailoring naval'. ... might just be clutching at straws!

but i have no connection to Stevens or Blackman unless they were neighbours at sometime.
1922 news cutting "Man's Letter Tells of Double Tragedy. Couple Found Lifeless in the House. I have gone mad and killed my wife She was one of the best. lam going to end it, too." This message, sent to the Portsmouth police by John Pulling, 21 Leonard Road, Landport,"

No idea if this is relevant......but it's the only possible connection I can find.

I notice that the Miller children's births were registered in Medway, Kent.

Working on the assumption that Edith Blackman didn't actually marry Arthur Stevens!

There is a birth registered for an Edith Eliza Blackman in Medway...

Edith Eliza Blackman in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Edith Eliza Blackman
Registration Year:1879
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:Medway
Inferred County:Kent
Volume:2a
Page:4890

The 1881 and 1891 census state that she was born in Rochester, Kent with Mother Maria.

The 1901 states she was born in Chatham, Kent........She is a servant.

She appears to have married in 1908

??
Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
Blackman Edith Eliza Medway 2a 1317
Weir George Medway 2a 1317

I can't spot an Edith Eliza Weir on the 1911 census though.

Possibly no connection.........but I thought I would post it anyway.

Speculating.......Perhaps when her family found out she was pregnant, they packed her off to Portsmouth to have the baby......and she stayed in the lodging house with Mary Collis?


Edit: Found the 1911 census, although it gives her birth year as 1885

Edith Eliza Weir in the 1911 England Census
Name:Edith Eliza Weir
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year:abt 1885
Gender:Female
Birth Place: Rochester, Kent, England
County/Island:Military
Country:England
ED, institution, or vessel:Malta

Edith Eliza Weir 26 Married 3 years.....1 child born and living
George Weir 3 months Son.....born Malta

Prickles

This matches the 1911 census (for the husband)



Name:George Weir

Age in 1911:23

Estimated birth year:abt 1888

Birth Place:Edinburgh, Scotland

County/Island:Military

Military Unit:Highlanders

Registration District Number:641
ED, institution, or vessel:Malta
Piece:34985


Maybe they ended up in Scotland. Maybe they are nothing to do with 'Maisie' !

thank you everyone,i guess there is no way of ever knowing after years of speculating the whole portsmouh medway connection or the naval link i was really hoping the names on the full certificate where going to answer some questions.
i know Charles Miller was born in chatham wasChief Fisman Of Signals R N and registered blind at some point, 1 of five children all born Chatham his mother also from Chatham
married 1895 to Sarah jane Vincent 1of seven children born in Woolwich as were all but the second oldest who was born in Portsmouth. her mother came from Portsmouth
in1851 census Mary ann Heath is visiting from portsmouth
in1861 census Rebecca Crowley mother from portsmouth i
But Sarah Jane was not born until 1869.
and i have just really confused myself
i dont have access to census records at the moment and apparently my notes now dont make sense to me. ahhhhhh

Very frustrating for you Louise!


Prickles.

Baptism
County Kent
Place Rochester
Church name St Margaret of Antioch
Register type PR
Register entry number 2128
Baptism date 24 Aug 1879
Person forename Edith Eliza
Person abode 25 Morden Street
Father forename James Joseph
Father surname BLACKMAN
Father occupation Mariner
Mother forename Maria


(above, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Register entry number 474
Baptism date 01 Mar 1898
Person forename Vincent Charles Edward
Person sex M
Person abode 4 Clover St, Chatham
Father forename Charles
Father surname MILLER
Father occupation Seaman
Mother forename Sarah Jane
Notes Cityark image 00050251


Baptism
County Kent
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Register entry number 1036
Baptism date 13 Oct 1902
Person forename Kathleen Vincent
Person sex F
Person abode 21 Lester Road
Father forename Charles
Father surname MILLER
Father occupation Pensioner R.N.
Mother forename Sarah Jane
Notes Cityark image 00050286


County Kent
Place Gillingham
Church name St Augustine
Register type
Register entry number 183
Marriage date 21 Dec 1929
Groom forename Kenneth
Groom surname GORDON
Groom age 25
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 141 Sarton? St Gillingham
Groom occupation Ordinance Artificer R.N
Bride forename Kathleen Vincent
Bride surname MILLER
Bride age 27
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 5 Ivy Road Gillingham
Bride occupation School Teacher
Groom father forename Ernest Augustus
Groom father surname GORDON
Groom father occupation R.E. (Retired)
Bride father forename Charles
Bride father surname MILLER
Bride father occupation R.N.
Witness1 forename * A
Witness1 surname GORDON
Witness2 forename Lusie Stevens
Witness2 surname MILLER
Notes Third witness was V Nuth. Both signed. Married after Banns. Bride's father was deceased

(witness above, not sure?)

edits

Baptism
County Kent
Place Gillingham
Church name St Augustine
Register type
Register entry number 350
Baptism date 5 Dec 1921
Birth date 23 Mar 1905
Person forename Maisie
Person sex F
Person abode 5 Ivy Road
Father forename Charles
Father surname MILLER
Father occupation Yeoman of Signals
Mother forename Sarah Jane


(worth a check in 'Search All Member Trees' (under 'Search' top right of page here) you could well find other Members sharing some names)

I'm wondering whether the second witness of the Marriage above is in fact Maisie and has been mistranscribed as Kathleen & Maisie were very close in age

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription

First name(s) Maisie
Last name Miller
Birth year 1906
Birth date 23 Mar 1906
Event year 1911
School name Byron Road School (infants)
Town Gillingham
County Kent
Country England
Parent name(s) Charles Miller (5 Ivy Road)
Book type Admissions
Archive reference C/ES/153/7/17
Archive Medway Archives
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914