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There's quite a lot about Belgrave gate at
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/leics/vol4/pp350-361

The addresses for the Smiths and extended families do seem to consist of yards does that mean they are possibly living in caravans?

Family Notices

Kalgoorlie Western Argus (WA : 1896 - 1916)
Tuesday 16 June 1908 p 16 Family Notices... , 1908. Elizabeth, the beloved wife of Bedford Chapman, and mother of Robert Chapman of Perth, W.A., and ... Bedford Chapman, of Kalgoorlie.

(mention of Sleaford, Lincolnshire)

Chris :)

(probably more relating!, from below, Aus. Newspapers)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

edits

(seems to relate to below?)

Deaths Jun 1908 (>99%)
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Chapman Elizabeth 83 Sleaford 7a 248


Elizabeth Chapman
Birth: 1825
Death: May 10, 1908
Note: Age: 83
Burial:
Sleaford Cemetery
Sleaford
North Kesteven District
Lincolnshire, England
Plot: X075

(and a below also)

Bedford Chapman
Birth: 1835
Death: Oct. 30, 1923

http://www.findagrave.com/

Well spotted AustinQ, I don't know how I missed seeing Bedford's mother there :-( but it does tie in nicely with the address on the 1851 as posted, being Belgrave gate

Barbers Yard, 6, Belgrave Gate, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Might be of interest: It was put earlier that Bedford Chapman was convicted of desertion in 1857- the following confirms his mother as Mary Smith-

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Transcription
name(s) Bedford Chapman
Occupation Shoemaker late a Soldier 62nd Regt. Foot.
Age 22
Court Gen Ct Martial Halifax N. Scotia
Series PCOM2
Source Millbank Prison, Middlesex: register of prisoners
Piece number 39

Mother, Mary Smith of 13 Bedford Street, Belgrave Gate, Leicester
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Bedford married and had children in Australia before returning to the UK:

Name: Bedford Chapman
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ross
Marriage Place: Perth
Registration Place: Western Australia
Registration Year: 1863
Registration Number: 2001

After these posts I am now thinking the Longmate or Longmead does come from the Smith side and the Romany element always assumed it was the Mary Clewing side

Oh Dear! Just when I thought I could make sense of it all! :-(

(AustinQ posted below earlier)

First name(s) Bedford
Last name Chapman
Gender Male
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 12 Jan 1838
Residence Spalding, Lincoln, England
Place Spalding
County Lincolnshire
Mother's name Mary Chapman


(then there is this, lol, gets worse!)


Births Mar 1838 (>99%)
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WISHER Bedford Spalding 14 501


(and, if relating, below!)

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Spalding
Church name St Mary and Nicholas
Register type
Register entry number 2184
Baptism date 28 Feb 1841
Person forename John Wisher
Person sex M
Person abode Spalding
Mother forename Mary
Mother surname SMART
Notes spinster

Chris :)

(now well due for getting out me chair here, head sore with it all!)

If this is the baptism for Edward:

Name: Edward Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1811
Baptism Place: New Sleaford,Lincoln,England
Father: John Smith
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 504758

then someone on Ancestry has several siblings for him- including a RICHARD LONGMALE SMITH born in 1797.

So, perhaps the Longmate name came from Edward's side of the family, and not Marys.

Rambling Rose Report 14 Oct 2015 20:30

I think this might be relevant, for Bedford Chapman

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mansfield Street, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
John Smart Male 35 1806 - T
Mary Smart Female 35 1806 -
Marriott Smart Male 15 1826 -
Bedford Smart Male 3 1838 -
Mary Chapman Female 20 1821 -
Edward Chapman Male 1 1840 Leicestershire, England
Patrick Turner Male 35 1806 -
Stephen Dexter Male 22 1819 -
John Hill Male 7 1834 Leicestershire, England

Note there is no birth for a Bedford Smart so I am reasonably sure this is Bedford Chapman with his mother and another child


(going back to above post, think perhaps below is them)

Chris :)


County Lincolnshire
Place Boston
Church name St Botolph
Register type
Marriage date 15 Oct 1837
Groom forename John
Groom surname SNART
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname CHAPMAN
Bride condition wid
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname JACKSON


Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
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CHAPMAN Mary Boston 14 384
SNART John Boston 14 384


20 October 1837 - Lincolnshire Chronicle - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

Marriage
On Sunday last, Mr. John Snart, cordwainer, Rosegarth lane, to Miss Mary Chapman, of West-street, Boston.



(if previous below)

County Lincolnshire
Place Surfleet
Church name St Lawrance
Register type
Register entry number 54
Marriage date 20 Sep 1819
Groom forename Joseph
Groom surname CHAPMAN
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Spalding
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname JACKSON
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Surfleet
Witness1 forename William
Witness1 surname ?
Witness2 forename Thomas
Witness2 surname SNEATH
Notes By banns


Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Boston
Church name St Botolph
Register type
Burial date 05 Jan 1832
Person age 34
Burial person forename Joseph
Burial person surname CHAPMAN
Burial person abode Boston

Thank you for all this information the names are fascinating and unusual The last post relating to Longmate and Smith could be the clue to the name Longmate given to so many of the family members
Thankyou all so much <3

(perhaps get some other Birth Certs., see how Maiden Name is spelt on them!)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_topics/thread/1138016

Frederick Augustus Longmate Smith 1851 Jan-Feb-Mar Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire

Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Smith Frederick Augustus Longmate Leicester 15 103


Births Sep 1848 (>99%)

Smith Georgiana Elizabeth Longmead Oakham 15 658



12 April 1872 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England

In the AFFAIRS of Messrs. LONGMATE and SMITH, North Hykeham, machinemen. ALL Persons having any Claim or Demand against the late Firm of THOMAS LONGMATE and JOHN SMITH, of North Hykeham, in the county Lincoln, machinemen, are requested to send their accounts to the said Thomas Longmate, or to Mr. William Wright, of Hykeham Grange, farmer (the trustee under the late John Smith)...

County Lincolnshire
Place Osbournby
Church name St Peter and St Paul
Register type
Register entry number 70
Marriage date 15 Mar 1855
Groom forename Edward
Groom surname SMITH
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Walcot
Groom parish Osbournby
Groom occupation Farmer
Bride forename Mary Ann
Bride surname CAPWELL
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Osbournby
Bride parish Osbournby
Groom father forename Cotton
Groom father surname SMITH
Groom father occupation Farmer
Bride father forename Henry
Bride father surname CAPWELL
Bride father occupation Miller
Witness1 forename Elizabeth
Witness1 surname CAPWELL
Witness2 forename John ?
Witness2 surname CAPWELL
Notes Also Witness Wm BURKITT

Chris :)

(probably already seen!, and... yet again, from below)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/


(Bedford Smith Burial 1969, also on below, from previous)


mgnv Report 25 Feb 2014 03:16

Have you checked out:
http://sleaford.gov.uk/PDF/Burial%20Register%20Statutory2010.pdf

First name(s) ALPHONSO JOHN HENRY LONGMATE SMITH
Last name SMITH
Birth year 1862
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District SLEAFORD
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Volume 7A
Page 368
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Lots of detail on army records, incl wife

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription
Print transcription View image
First name(s) John Henry Alphonso
Last name Smith
Service number 2644
Regiment -
Unit / Battalion 49th Brigade
Event year 1880
Age 18
Birth year 1862
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth country -
Residence town -
Residence county -
Series WO 363
Record set British Army Service Records 1914-1920
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain

married Priscilla Luff 1901

so John Henry Alphonso ( which incidently confirms Bedford as a family name)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23 Alexandra Road Sleaford, New Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

Age Birth year Birth place
John Henry Alphonso Smith Head Married Male General Labourer 49 1862 Sleaford Lincolnshire Nr Sheffield
Priscilla Smith Wife Married Female Dressmaker 38 1873 Brightside Yorkshire
Bedford Smith Son Single Male Apprintic To Moulding 18 1893 Leeds Yorkshire
Mary Millicent Smith Daughter Single Female Laundress 16 1895 Leeds Yorkshire
John Henry Alphouse Smith Son Single Male School 10 1901 Sleaford Lincolnshire
Ajmes Arthur Smith Son Single Male School 10 1901 Sleaford Lincolnshire
Ruben Smith Son Single Male - 3 1908 Sleaford Lincolnshire

and on that earlier thread, which it really would have helped to know about

"Kevin Report 20 Mar 2012 22:42
there is a few of the relatives missing (my mothers family tree), the children of edward and mary are: lura, agnotania, john henry alphonso, eleanor , vandelieen, vandebuer, georgiana, frederick augustus, mary
the connection to me is john henry alphonso (great grandfather) his son John frederick henry smith, his daughter rosabella (my mother), there is no american influence,there is a gypsy connection and an irish connection"

edit sorry missed the 1871 ... that's the trouble with looking at 3 seperate threads .

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Boston, Lincolnshire, England


First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Elizabeth Capwell Female 75 1766 Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Mary Ann Capwell Female 30 1811 Lincolnshire, England

Tracker, I see you had another thread back in 2012, http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1293307?page=0

you seemed to believe then that Edward's first wife was Mary Anne Capwell as follows??

On the birth certificate I have for Augustina Smith February 1859 Sleaford Mothers maiden name is CLEWING
However I cannot find a Mary Clewing anywhere
The marrriage I have for Augustina's father Edward Smith is to Mary Anne Capwell Sleaford March quarter 1855
This tallies with census information about this family in Sleaford. Edward was a tailor. Jermyn Street Sleaford
I cannot find a record of Mary Clewing marrying a Capwell if she had been a widow before marrying Edward Smith.


Did you follow that up?

Thanks everyone I will sift through all I now have on this family and somehow I will find the birthplace of Mary Clewing ?? ;-)