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First name(s) VENDELIEAR
Last name SMITH
Gender Unknown
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1846
Age 80
Death quarter 1
Death year 1926
District SHEFFIELD
County Yorkshire
Volume 9C
Page 719
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Thankyou odd names these children
I have been looking for the death of Mary Smith thinking it may give me her maiden name
Somehow I think the Toxteth census seems right how can I check if she is related to anyone else on that census?
I know she was illiterate

I have her death in Sleaford 1909 buried St BotolphsChurch quarrington as are most of the family where we read her headstone it says loving wife of Edward Smith

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Jermyn Street, New Sleaford, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

Mary Smith Head Widow Female 67 1814 Charwoman Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Millicent Smith Daughter Single Female 26 1855 Machinest Leicester, Leicestershire
Charlotte Bailey Grand Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Rose E Smith Grand Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Jermyn Street, New Sleaford, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Smith Head Widow Female 76 1815 Tailoress Boston, Lincolnshire,
Millicent Smith Daughter Single Female 34 1857 Tailoress Leicester
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Jermyn Street, New Sleaford, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Millicent Smith Head Single Female 46 1855 Tailoress Leicester, Leicestershire,
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Jermyn Street Sleaford, New Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Millicent Smith Head Single Female Tailoress 57 1854 Leicester
Bedford Chapman Stepbrother Widower Male Boot Maker 76 1835 Spalding
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So how is Bedford related?

First name(s) Bedford
Last name Chapman
Gender Male
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 12 Jan 1838
Residence Spalding, Lincoln, England
Place Spalding
County Lincolnshire
Mother's name Mary Chapman

Millicent looked after Mary until she died this family throughout the generations took on each others children and brought them up so there is mix of children and Grandchildren living together again Bedford is a name associated with Romany families I think someone assumed Boston lincolnshire There must be a maiden name mentioned for Mary on some record somewhere would it be on parish record for her burial at St Botolps Quarrington.

But Mary is not with Millicent in 1901? (You give a death of 1909 for Mary)

I'm struggling to see how Boston Lincolnshire (on all census returns) could be wrong?

I doubt the burial record would give maiden name.

You say you know there is a connection to Ireland- how do you know this.

I think Bedford's parents/ family might be worth following.

Other relatives closely connected have mentioned the Irish connection and Romany connection. I have followed up all the children and marriages but must admit first time Bedford has come up I will follow this up I have also not been able to find a death for Maria Cowling mentioned earlier as I thought if he had been married twice first wife may have died also not found a connection in. Boston

Probable for Bedford not that it helps any, but does perhaps tie in with the family being in Leicestershire as per some of the children's births

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Grange Lane, St Marys, Leicester, Leicestershire, England


Job Kirkland Head Married Male 30 1821 Shoemaker Leicestershire, England Transcription
Ann Kirkland Wife Married Female 32 1819 - Hinckley, Leicestershire, England Transcription
Bedford Chapman - Unmarried Male 14 1837 Shoemaker Apprentice Leicestershire, England <<<<<<<<<
George Walker Lodger Unmarried Male 30 1821 Frame Work Knitter Leicestershire, England

Thanks
No clue there then ! Ha ha
These are a remarkable family and Mary is such an important part of it I will keep trying to trace her family until I find her parents or was she also brought up by someone else??

I would say there was as much chance of her being the Birmingham Mary as the Toxteth one? especially since the Smith family were in Birmingham in 1861?

But I do think you will have to try and get the cert for one or other of the older children pref' Vandeleur if only to confirm that they all have the same mother?

I think this might be relevant, for Bedford Chapman

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mansfield Street, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England


John Smart Male 35 1806 - T
Mary Smart Female 35 1806 -
Marriott Smart Male 15 1826 -
Bedford Smart Male 3 1838 - <<<<<
Mary Chapman Female 20 1821 - <<<<<<
Edward Chapman Male 1 1840 Leicestershire, England
Patrick Turner Male 35 1806 -
Stephen Dexter Male 22 1819 -
John Hill Male 7 1834 Leicestershire, England

Note there is no birth for a Bedford Smart so I am reasonably sure this is Bedford Chapman with his mother and another child

28 September 1878 - Grantham Journal - Grantham, Lincolnshire, England

Marriage
Beckett - Smith. At the Parish Church, Sleaford, on the 17th inst., Mr. Francis Beckett to Augustiana Elizabeth Longlate Smith.

Chris :)


County Lincolnshire
Place Sleaford
Church name St Denys
Register type
Register entry number 371
Marriage date 17 Sep 1878
Groom forename Francis
Groom surname BECKETT
Groom age 21
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode New Sleaford
Groom occupation Brick Layer
Bride forename Augustina Elizabeth Longmate
Bride surname SMITH
Bride age 19
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode New Sleaford
Bride father forename Eward
Bride father surname SMITH
Bride father occupation Tailor
Witness1 forename William
Witness1 surname PEACOCK
Witness2 forename Florence Catherine
Witness2 surname CORBY
Notes By Banns


Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Quarrington
Church name St Botolph
Register type
Register entry number 105
Burial date 30 Oct 1899
Person age 40
Burial person forename Augustina Elizabeth Longmate
Burial person surname BECKETT
Burial person abode New Quarrington, Sleaford


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above free link)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Jermyn Street, New Sleaford, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

Bedford Chapman Head Married Male 66 1835 Shoemaker Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Chapman Wife Married Female 78 1823 - Scotland

Maybe married in Scotland?

Interesting same Christian names Mary and Edward and dates of Birth as Smith! For Chapman

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Transcription

First name(s) Bedford
Last name Chapman
Occupation Shoemaker Soldier
Age 22
Birth year 1835
Year 1857
Date 16 Apr 1857
Crime Desertion
Sentence duration 6
Place Portland
Court Halifax
County -
Source Millbank Prison Registers: Male Prisoners. Volume 7
Series HO24
Piece number 7
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Sleaford
Church name Municipal Cemetery
Register type
Burial date 02 Nov 1923
Person age 88
Burial person forename Bedford
Burial person surname CHAPMAN

Chris :)

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Sleaford
Church name Municipal Cemetery
Register type
Burial date 10 Feb 1937
Person age 81
Burial person forename Millicent
Burial person surname SMITH
Burial person abode 6 Jermyn Street Sleaford


http://www.freereg.org.uk/


edits (also on below, Sleaford)

http://www.findagrave.com/

(and John Henry Alphonse Smith 1939)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1337780

(lol, thought the 'memory bell' rang!)

Ohh crime Desertion ref: Augustina Smith the witnesses are relatives and are in Churchyard near Mary Smith

Thanks everyone I will sift through all I now have on this family and somehow I will find the birthplace of Mary Clewing ?? ;-)

Tracker, I see you had another thread back in 2012, http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1293307?page=0

you seemed to believe then that Edward's first wife was Mary Anne Capwell as follows??

On the birth certificate I have for Augustina Smith February 1859 Sleaford Mothers maiden name is CLEWING
However I cannot find a Mary Clewing anywhere
The marrriage I have for Augustina's father Edward Smith is to Mary Anne Capwell Sleaford March quarter 1855
This tallies with census information about this family in Sleaford. Edward was a tailor. Jermyn Street Sleaford
I cannot find a record of Mary Clewing marrying a Capwell if she had been a widow before marrying Edward Smith.


Did you follow that up?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Boston, Lincolnshire, England


First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Elizabeth Capwell Female 75 1766 Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Mary Ann Capwell Female 30 1811 Lincolnshire, England

and on that earlier thread, which it really would have helped to know about

"Kevin Report 20 Mar 2012 22:42
there is a few of the relatives missing (my mothers family tree), the children of edward and mary are: lura, agnotania, john henry alphonso, eleanor , vandelieen, vandebuer, georgiana, frederick augustus, mary
the connection to me is john henry alphonso (great grandfather) his son John frederick henry smith, his daughter rosabella (my mother), there is no american influence,there is a gypsy connection and an irish connection"

edit sorry missed the 1871 ... that's the trouble with looking at 3 seperate threads .