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28 Sep 2015 12:01 |
James Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:James Thomas Gender:Male Birth Date:26 May 1782 Baptism Date:6 Mar 1821 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father: Richard Thomas Mother: Joan FHL Film Number:=917187
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Richard Thomas in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name:Richard Thomas Gender:Male Marriage Date:2 Oct 1765 Marriage Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Spouse:Joan Fry FHL Film Number:917187
Dorothy Gillard in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Dorothy Gillard Gender:Female Baptism Date:21 Jul 1782 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father: Robert Gillard Mother: Elizabeth Good FHL Film Number:917187
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28 Sep 2015 11:30 |
James Thomas in the 1851 England Census Name:James Thomas Age:68 Estimated birth year:abt 1783 Relation:Head Gender:Male Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England Civil Parish:Culmstock Town:Culmstock County/Island:Devon Country:England Registration district:Wellington Sub-registration district:Wiveliscombe
Household Members:
James Thomas 68 (Widower) Beerhouse Keeper Hugh Thomas 42 (Unmarried) Farm Labourer
Residence: Millmoor
James Thomas in the 1841 England Census Name:James Thomas Age:55 Estimated birth year:abt 1786 Gender:Male Where born:Devon, England Civil Parish:Culmstock Hundred:Hemyock County/Island:Devon Country:England Street address:Millmoor Occupation: Registration district:Wellington Sub-registration district:Culmstock
Household Members:
James Thomas 55 (Woolcomber) Dorothy Thomas 55 Peniunah Thomas 20 Fellah Thomas 15
Deaths Sep 1846 (>99%) Thomas Dorothy Wellington 10 310
Deaths Mar 1857 (>99%) Thomas James Wellington Som 5c 278
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28 Sep 2015 11:19 |
Going back to Robert's baptism......
Robert Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Robert Thomas Gender:Male Birth Date:31 Jan 1807 Baptism Date:27 Dec 1807 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother: Dorothy FHL Film Number:917187
James Thomas in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name:James Thomas Gender:Male Marriage Date:28 Jan 1802 Marriage Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Spouse:Dorothy Gillard FHL Film Number:917187
Mary Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Mary Thomas Gender:Female Birth Date:18 Dec 1802 Baptism Date:20 Jan 1805 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Hugh Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Hugh Thomas Gender:Male Baptism Date:6 Nov 1808 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Edith Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Edith Thomas Gender:Female Birth Date:8 Oct 1810 Baptism Date:8 Nov 1812 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Elizabeth Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Elizabeth Thomas Gender:Female Birth Date:24 Dec 1804 Baptism Date:20 Jan 1805 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Shadrach Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Shadrach Thomas Gender:Male Birth Date:26 Jun 1817 Baptism Date:13 Jul 1817 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Death Date:18 Dec 1819 Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Zillah Clarissa Thomasin the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Zillah Clarissa Thomas Gender:Female Birth Date:1 Jan 1819 Baptism Date:21 Jan 1819 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Peninnah Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Peninnah Thomas Gender:Female Birth Date:8 Jan 1821 Baptism Date:26 Dec 1821 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
Marriages Mar 1842 ALSOP Benjamin Wellington 10 727 THOMAS Peninnah Wellington Som 10 727
Ella Amelias Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Ella Amelias Thomas Gender:Female Birth Date:9 Jul 1824 Baptism Date:18 Aug 1828 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother:Dorothy
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Julie
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27 Sep 2015 17:29 |
Yes that's right my great grandparents x
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27 Sep 2015 17:24 |
Richard G Baylis in the 1911 England Census Name:Richard G Baylis Age in 1911:39 Estimated birth year:abt 1872 Gender:Male Birth Place:Kensington Civil Parish:Kensington County/Island:London Country:England Street address:38 Talbot Grove, Notting Hill, Kensington N Marital Status:Married Years Married:16 Estimated Marriage Year:1895 Occupation:WAREHOUSE PORTER Registration district:Kensington
Richard G Baylis 39 Helah Baylis 39 James Baylis 10 Lillian Baylis 5 Charlotte Baylis 2 Rose Baylis 0 Frederick Curtiss 25 (Boarder)
Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%) Baylis Charlotte Gregory Hammersmith 1a 612 GREGORY Frederick J Baylis Hammersmith 1a 612
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27 Sep 2015 17:03 |
Helahs daughter Charlotte (my great grandmother) married a Frederick Gregory
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27 Sep 2015 17:02 |
This was the 1841 census I found earlier...
Robert Thomas in the 1841 England Census Name:Robert Thomas Age:35 Estimated birth year:abt 1806 Gender:Male Civil Parish:St Marylebone Hundred:Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Registration district:St Marylebone Sub-registration district:St John
Household Members:
Robert Thomas 35 (No Occupation given) Elizth Thomas 29 Henry Thomas 2 <<<<< Robert Thomas 4 Mo Willm Gregory 8 Mo <<<< A witness on the 1849 marriage was a William Gregory.
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27 Sep 2015 16:55 |
This might possibly be Robert and Ann's marriage......
Robert Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name:Robert Thomas (Widower) Caochman...Pudley Street Spouse:Ann Lammiman (Spinster) Bridge Place Record Type:Marriage Event Date:5 Feb 1849 Parish:St Mary, Paddington Green Borough:Westminster Father Name:James Thomas (Licensed Victualler) Spouse Father:William Lammiman (Fishmonger) Register Type:Parish Register Witnesses: William Gregory and Ann Waite
Oh, I think I saw the name "Gregory" on an 1841 census.
So maybe Henry was the result of Roberts first marriage?
Just off to find that 1841 census.........
And......
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Robert Thomas in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Robert Thomas Gender:Male Birth Date:31 Jan 1807 Baptism Date:27 Dec 1807 Baptism Place:Culmstock,Devon,England Father:James Thomas Mother: Dorothy FHL Film Number:917187
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27 Sep 2015 16:43 |
"Helah" is such an unusual name.
I have never come across that name before.
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Julie
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27 Sep 2015 16:33 |
I'm so confused pickles lol I have just been given the information that I have got two Helah Thomas in my tree both on different branches one on my grandads side and one on my grandmas side :-0
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27 Sep 2015 16:01 |
Helah Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name:Helah Thomas (Minor) Spouse: Samuel Wheatley Record Type:Marriage Event Date:8 Oct 1871 Parish:St Saviour, Chelsea Borough:Kensington and Chelsea Father Name:Robert Thomas (Coachman) Spouse Father:James Wheatley Register Type:Parish Register Witnesses: Thomas Wheatley and Susannah ???
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27 Sep 2015 15:43 |
This is interesting.......
Helah Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name:Helah Thomas Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:26 Nov 1852 ....Born 7th November 1852 Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cab Driver) 38 Charles Street Mother's name:Ann Thomas Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone Christ Church Borough:Westminster Register Type:Parish Registers
I am wondering if Ellen who appears age 8 on the 1861 census, is actually Helah!
I will see if I can find a baptism for Ellen.
Ah, here is Henry, Robert and Alfred's baptism.....They are all on the same page.
Robert Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name:Robert Thomas Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:25 Apr 1851 ....Born 23rd Nov 1849 Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cab Driver) 12 Milners Mews Mother's name:Ann Thomas Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone Christ Church Borough:Westminster Register Type:Parish Registers
Alfred born 19th Jan 1857
Henry born 17th Nov 1838....(Ties in with Henry's age of 12 on the 1851 census!)
12 Milners Mews was the address the family were living at in 1851.
It would seem that Henry named his daughter after his sister. "Elah"
Edit: I am not seeing a baptism for an Ellen Thomas.
Baptism for son James......
James Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name:James Thomas Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:7 Feb 1858 Born 18th Aug 1854 Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cabman) 9 Wellington Mews Mother's name:Ann Thomas Parish or Poor Law Union:Notting Hill St Peter Borough:Kensington and Chelsea Register Type:Bishop's Transcript
On the same page is brother Joseph.....Born 5th Oct 1856
There is a marriage for James Thomas to Fanny Jane Wheller in 1874.
A daughter born 1890.........
Helah May Thomas in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name:Helah May Thomas Registration Year:1890 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district:Kensington Inferred County:London Volume:1a Page:137
As you can see, I have done some editing...so that everything is all together. :-)
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27 Sep 2015 14:42 |
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Residence: 10 Lonsdale Cottages. (Interesting!)
Robert Thomas in the 1861 England Census Name:Robert Thomas Age:54 Estimated birth year:1807 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Ann Thomas Gender:Male Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott Ecclesiastical parish:St John Town:Kensington County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Registration district:Kensington Sub-registration district:Kensington Town
Household Members:
Robert Thomas 54 (Cab Driver) Ann Thomas 38 Robert Thomas 11 Ellen Thomas 8 James Thomas 6 William Thomas 8/12
Robert Thomas in the 1851 England Census Name:Robert Thomas Age:38 Estimated birth year:abt 1813 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Ann Thomas Gender:Male Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England Civil Parish:St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
Household Members:
Robert Thomas 38 (Hackney Coach Driver) Ann Thomas 29 Henry Thomas 14 <<<<< Henry's age doesn't look like 14 on the image. Robert Thomas 2 Alfred Thomas 2 Mo
Henry's age is possibly 12??? on the image. Perhaps he was born out of wedlock?
Robert Thomas in the 1871 England Census Name:Robert Thomas Age:63 Estimated birth year:abt 1808 Relation:Head Gender:Male Where born:Culmstock, Devon, England Civil Parish:Kensington Ecclesiastical parish:St Clement County/Island:London Country:England Registration district:Kensington Sub-registration district:Kensington Town
Household Members:
Robert Thomas 63 (Widower) Out of Business Robert Thomas 21 James Thomas 16 Eliza Thomas 8
Edit: I thought perhaps Robert and Ann were too old to have an 8yr old daughter on the 1871 census........but I was wrong....
Eliza Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name:Eliza Thomas Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:12 Jan 1863 Born 8th May 1862 Father's name:Robert Thomas (Cabman) 10 Lonsdale Mews Mother's name:Ann Thomas Parish or Poor Law Union:Notting Hill All Saints Borough:Kensington and Chelsea Register Type:Parish Registers
Eliza Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name:Eliza Thomas (Spinster) Princes Road Estimated birth year:abt 1863 Age:20 Spouse: Edward Issac Guest (Bachelor) Horse Keeper Spouse Age:21 Record Type:Marriage Event Date:23 Jul 1883 Parish:St James Norlands, Kensington Borough:Kensington and Chelsea Father Name:Robert Thomas (Cab Proprietor) Spouse Father:William Guest Register Type:Parish Register Witnesses: James Thomas and Emily Eliza Thomas
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27 Sep 2015 12:22 |
Thank you so much pickles and everyone X A lot to take in and try and get to match up . Will be seeing my grandma this week and hopefully she will be able to connect and remember names or names you have given will trigger a memory X
Julie X :-D
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27 Sep 2015 12:05 |
Will leave you to go through the info.
You can always get back to us if you get stuck.
Prickles. ;o))
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27 Sep 2015 11:59 |
This could be the prickly holly the area seems right and not far from where my family live
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27 Sep 2015 11:35 |
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Henry Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name:Henry Thomas (Bachelor) Cabman...Praed Street Spouse:Sophia Kemp (Spinster) Market Street Record Type:Marriage Event Date:14 Jun 1858 Parish:St John, Paddington Borough:Westminster Father Name:Robert Thomas (Cabman) Spouse Father:William Kemp (Bricklayer) Register Type:Parish Register Witnesses: George Evans and Jane Routledge
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27 Sep 2015 11:33 |
My brain is on overload with so much new information. :-) :-D
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27 Sep 2015 11:29 |
Henry Thomas in the 1861 England Census Name:Henry Thomas Age:22 Estimated birth year:1839 Relation:Lodger Spouse's Name:Sophia Thomas Gender:Male Where born:Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil Parish:St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch County/Island:Middlesex Country:England
Household Members:
Francis Greene 35 Elizth Greene 25 Francis Greene 4 Henry J Clark 29 Louisa Clark 28 Emma L Clark 5 Thomas H Clark 2 Matilda Clark 9/12 Henry Thomas 22 (Cab Driver) Sophia Thomas 22... born Suffolk William H Thomas 1...born Marylebone
Henry Harris 41 Jane Harris 37 Eliza Harris 13 Charles Harris 3
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27 Sep 2015 11:23 |
On the same baptism record for Edward is sister......
Elizabeth Ann Thomas born 14th March 1866.
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