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I posted that 1841 census on page 1

John said it was not his family as Ann was widowed

I think she may well have cohabited and that's why she's not showing on the census

(are they relating to Robert and Ann then Josephine?)

Chris :)

Baptisms 08 Jan 1832 KNIGHTS William Crowe Norfolk Scottow
Baptisms 08 Jan 1832 KNIGHTS Elizabeth Norfolk Scottow

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Hello John

I found these if it is of help on 1841 in Scottow, South Erpingham, Norfolk

Thomas Knights 55
Ann Knights 55
Ann Knights 20
William Knights 20
Elizabeth Knights 15

and

Birth on IGI Family History Research

Anne Knights 8 May 1786 in Acle, Norfolk

Regards

Josephine

Gins, thanks for going through the whole 1841 census for Thornham. I do not have any address details for her at all. She married in Wellingham in 1810 and died in Thornham in 1848.

I guess it is possible as you say that she was cohabiting.

Chris, I do not think this is her as I previously stated her death register entry states widow of Robert Knights.

(looks to be below pair here, for that 1841)

Chris :)

County Norfolk
Place Norwich
Church St Clement
RegisterNumber 78
MarriageDate 12 Jul 1841
GroomForename Jacob
GroomSurname HAMES
GroomCondition Widower
GroomOccupation Weaver
BrideForename Ann
BrideSurname K__TIS
BrideCondition Widow
GroomFatherForename Jacob
GroomFatherSurname HAMES
BrideFatherForename Bravor
BrideFatherSurname TEASDLE
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname MUNFORD
WitnessTwoForename Geo N
WitnessTwoSurname STEWARDSON
Notes Bride and groom signed with their marks. Shocking handwriting!


Marriages Sep 1841 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
HAINES Jacob Norwich 13 317
KERTZ Ann Norwich 13 317
KERTZS Ann Norwich 13 317

There is no way of knowing where she was in 1841, she may have died in Thornham but not have been there is 1841

Some 1841 censuses have the street name, if you post the address details it might help find her

I have been through the entire 1841 transcripts for Thornham and no sign of Ann Knights although I did find Elizabeth Parson!

Another point is that she could have been cohabiting with a man and took his name on the census

Hello Gins, I was not sure of the significance of the full address in Thornham as the 1841 census record you posted was in Norwich.

Burial
County Norfolk
Place Thornham
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 649
BurialDate 14 Jun 1858
Forename Elizabeth
Surname PARSONS
Age 47
Abode Thornham

(perhaps above)


19 June 1858 - Norfolk Chronicle - Norwich, Norfolk, England

Death
On the 9th inst., at Brancaster Staithe, after a long affliction, Mrs. Elizabeth Parsons, deeply regretted by her family and friends.


(also probably ties in with below Baptism, Robert Married Elizabeth Creed 1831, which ties in perhaps with Mary Creed who Married William Knights 1836, son of Robert and Ann, as you already know I should think)

County Norfolk
Place Thornham
Church All Saints Tr
RegisterNumber 432
DateOfBirth 25 Jan 1832
BaptismDate 29 Jan 1832
Forename William Creed
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname PARSONS
MotherSurname CREED
FatherOccupation Labourer

Chris :)

(other Knights/Parsons, Thornham on below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Sun Lane is given as the address on the 1841 census for the lady I posted

I'm aware that the 1841 census was not a detailed 'census'

Deaths, did have street names, shame Ann' didn't have a full address. Thornham came under the registration district of 'Docking'

most villages didn't have street addresses on the 1841 ....... the most you find is usually a street name, such as High Street. "Village" or Village Green" is more common in my experience!

No there is no street name recorded. For the informant it says Elizabeth Parsons present at death Thornham.

From FreeReg

County Norfolk
Place Thornham
Church name All Saints
Register type
Register entry number 481
Burial date 13 May 1848
Person age 63
Burial person forename Ann
Burial person surname KNIGHTS
Burial person abode Thornham <<<< No further details here either

No street name?

Who is the informant please?

Her full address is not shown on her death cert. It just says Thornham.

looking at the image on Ancestry,

Ann KERTGS could be Ann Kerbys

What is her full address?

She is buried in Thornham. Yes I have the death cert which states she died in Thornham. in 1848.

I saw this yesterday but got distracted and didn't post it!



1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Sun Lane, St Clement, Norwich, Norfolk, England


Jacob Hemms Male 60 1781 Weaver Norfolk, England
Ann Kertzs Female 55 1786 Norfolk, England


John, do you have the death certificate which will give you her address?


Ancestry version


Name:Ann Kertgs

Age:55

Estimated birth year:abt 1786

Gender:Female

Where born:Norfolk, England

Civil Parish:St Clement

Hundred:Norwich

County/Island:Norfolk

Registration district:Norwich

Sub-registration district: Coslany

Piece:788
Book:5
Folio:26
Page Number:4

Household Members:

Jacob Homms 60
Ann Kertgs 55

The best strategy is to use FreeREG first, then check on the appropriate Parish/ArchdeaconsTranscript/Bishops Transcript image on FS. The transcripts are the C of E's own back-up copies.

If FreeREG has no coverage, then you have to resort to trawling thru the appropriate images yourself.

For the images, see the appropriate Norfolk collection at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

I had forgotten about freereg. I think last time I looked at it Norfolk was not too well covered.

Do you know what % of Norfolk has been transcribed?