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Hi Chris That has surprised me . It's definitely the right address . John did own Number 6 Greenfield Terrace (now Greenfield Street ,as houses were built on the opposite side ) His granddaughter now in her 80's still lives there. John's wife passed away on 1921 with parturition 1month and cerebral Embolism Which I understand is connected to Childbirth . The family is on the 1911 Census but there were two later children Walter (possibly 1913 ) and Anne who I thought was 1916. But she lived into her 80's The baby was Elizabeth . :-S
Not sure what 1 month means on the death certificate . Does it mean a month after the birth . If so . it seems that baby Elizabeth passed away in 1916 and Anne was born in1921 and survived .I know my late grandmother ( Anne's sister Martha on the1911 census ) said Anne was a baby and she had to bring her up .

Hi Marie . I'm suspicious of that wedding too now This is the couple I am looking for . I'm not positive about the brides surname but it keeps coming up with Thomas on all the searches also the person in Bridgend history said there was a wedding in Swansea which he found a record for


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Nolton Street, Coity, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales


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Household Members



First name(s)

Last name

Relationship

Marital status

Gender

Age

Birth year

Occupation

Birth place



John Thomas Head Married Male 40 1821 Hawker And Lodging House Devon, England
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Elizabeth Thomas Wife Married Female 30 1831 Keeper Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
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Margaret Thomas Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
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Margaret Thomas Servant - Female 17 1844 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
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Cather Williams Lodger - Female 12 1849 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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George Loveridge Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 Hawker Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
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Evan Williams Lodger Widower Male 60 1801 Hawker Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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Morgan Morgan Lodger Widower Male 60 1801 Hawker Beccles, Berkshire, England
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Census details



First name(s)
Elizabeth

Last name
Thomas

Relationship
Wife

Marital status
Married

Gender
Female

Age
30

Birth year
1831

Occupation
Keeper

Birth town
Swansea

Birth town as transcribed
SWANSEA

Birth county
Glamorgan

Birth county as transcribed
GLAMORGANSHIRE

Birth place (other)
Wales

Birth place other as transcribed
-

Street
Nolton Street

Parish
Coity

City or borough
-

County
Glamorganshire

Country
Wales

Municipal ward
-

Parliamentary borough
-

Hamlet
Coity Lower

Registration district
Bridgend

Enumeration district
5

Archive reference
RG09

Piece number
4077

Folio number
77

Page number
14

Family member last name
MORGAN, WILLIAMS, LOVERIDGE, THOMAS

Family member first name(s)
MORGAN, EVAN, GEORGE, CATHER, MARGARET, ELIZABETH, JOHN




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Thomas
Elizabeth
09/01/1916
3 wks
Convulsions.
Child of John Thomas of 6, Greenfield Street, Maesteg.
14/01/1916 (appeared in Newspaper)

http://www1.bridgend.gov.uk/media/232522/1916-Deaths.pdf

(above could relate to below)

(from your other 'Thread' (stated, and 1911. John was the owner of 6 Greenfield Terrace)

Chris :)

(apologies folks, so many relating 'Threads', but saw above, from google search, for family info.!)

Here's the image for that 1855 marriage, I'm a bit suspicious of the occupation for John Thomas .....

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/18657191

Could you please confirm what the basis is for your information that John's wife's maiden name was also Thomas?

Think I may have found it . Had the wrong year. Have found one on Free BMD for June 1855 .

Birth Certificate for John Huxtable (Thomas)http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/edit/18564802

I have found a wedding in Parish Records.for 1844 in Michaelstone Glamorgan
John Thomas Carpenter Residence: Hendon. Father's name John Thomas Labourer
Elizabeth Thomas Residence : Hafod Park Glamorgan Father's name :David Thomas Farmer

How can I prove if these are the parents ?
Havod Park is in Swansea where Elizabeth was from but could that just be coincidence

I have edited the other post to include this link .
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1314522?page=0
I did eventually trace my great grandfathers wedding in East Stonehouse Devon .His parents wedding is on this thread ,and I have been trying to trace the wedding of his mother's parents as I am sure I have the right census records for them as a married couple .

???

Name: John Huxtable
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Gender: Male
Where born: St Ardales, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Cardiff St John
County/Island:
Country: Wales
Street address: Broad Street Cardiff Arms<<<<<
Occupation: Gardener (Hot Serv)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff

will try to work out how to post copies of the certificates
When and Where born: Fourth February 1879 Cowbridge Name: Alfred John Sex: boy Father John Huxtable Mother Margaret Thomas a Domestic servant
Occupation of Father: Gardener Discription of Informant John Huxtable Father Cowbridge M. Thomas Mother Aber House Port Talbot when registered 18th March 1879 registrar William John

When and where born: Tenth March 1881 Oldcastle Bridgend USD Name: William
Name of Father _________ Name of Mother Margaret Thomas General Servant
occupation of Father ____________ Informant Magaret Thomas Mother Oldcastle Bridgend Registered Twenty sixth April 1881Registrar Thomas Jenkins

According to John Thomas although his name was Huxtable on the birth certificate his true father was one of the Thomas family from Sutton farm / Manor
and Huxtable was a gardener who was paid to give his name . but there is no way to prove that . I have put this on another thread two years ago http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1314522?page=0

I think friendlywelshdragon needs to tell us exactly what is on Alfred John Huxtable/Thomas birth certificate regarding Margaret's name(s). Did she masquerade as a Huxtable when registering the birth?

This appears to be the baptism referred to:

Glamorgan Baptisms
First name(s) ALFRED JOHN
Last name THOMAS
Birth year 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism day 22
Baptism month May
Baptism place NOLTON
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
County Glamorganshire

She's described as a single woman of Port Talbot

this is where I'm having the problem

If she was Thomas, why are the children Huxtable?

Was she married before?


If not, then the father has to have agreed for his name to be used, which means his name SHOULD be on the birth certificate because he would have had to be present at the registration ......... at least, that is my understanding.

The two Huxtable children are listed as grandchildren, presumably to John Thomas.

Is it right to assume Margaret is their mother, or could they be the offspring of another daughter of Thomas, possibly even a married one?

I know I am probably repeating what has been posted, BUT, this is the 1881 census

Name Age
John Thomas 80
Elizabeth Thomas 50
Margaret Thomas 22
Anne Thomas 16
Elizabeth Thomas 14
Catherine Thomas 9
John Huxtable 2
William H. Huxtable
Jane Smith 64

But, but, Jude ............


this is the marriage certificate that is giving the evidence of John Thomas ............


First October 1883 George Thomas 28 batchelor general labourer Oldcastle Bridgend Father George Thomas (Deceased )
Margaret Thomas 24 Spinster Oldcastle Bridgend Father John Thomas (deceased )


Both surnames are Thomas .................. but Margaret had children before her marriage in the name of Huxtable??????????



what am I not seeing or understanding?????

She is looking for Margaret's parents marriage Sylvia ....John Thomas to Elizabeth ...Thomas or not!

Jude

FWD ............... I am confused .....................

you posted ...........

The definite information I have is the wedding certificate of George and Margaret
First October 1883 George Thomas 28 batchelor general labourer Oldcastle Bridgend Father George Thomas (Deceased )
Margaret Thomas 24 Spinster Oldcastle Bridgend Father John Thomas (deceased )
Margarets family in1881 census is the one you have posted here . she is with her parents
and two children John and William Huxtable Children before her marriage to George . John is my great grandfather . his birth certificate is Alfred John Huxtable but three months later he was baptised as John Thomas .

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IF Margaret's children born before her marriage had the surname HUXTABLE, then why are you looking for a margaret with the surname Thomas?????????????

Surely she would have married under the surname Huxtable????????

Do you have John and Elizabeth on the 1861 census? I haven't had any luck finding them.

EDIT: NO THE FOLLOWING ISN'T HIM

I suspect that this might be John in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Butcher Shop, High Street, Aberavon, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

James Key Head Married Male 26 1835 Butcher And Grocer Baglan, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary E Key Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Hayle, Cornwall, England
Sarah M Key Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
William J Key Son - Male 0 1861 - Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
Lousia Jenkins Sister In Law Unmarried Female 14 1847 Grocer Assistant Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
** John Thomas Workman Married Male 54 1807 Labourer Tiverton, Devon, England
Margaret Rees Servant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Nursemaid Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth Jenkins Servant Unmarried Female 23 1838 House Servant Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Now, the transcription says "Married" but I'm pretty certain it looks like "Widr" (Widower) on the image.

Anyone else's opinions welcome.

I wouldn't be looking for an 1860 birth for Margaret (of which there are 7 on FreeBMD).

Margaret was 12 on the 1871 census (taken 2 April) and 22 on the 1881 census (taken 3 April). She could therefore have been born anytime from mid April 1858 to the first few days of April 1859.

These are the only matching entries on FreeBMD, narrows it down a bit.

Births Mar 1859
THOMAS Margaret Bridgend 11a 419

Births Jun 1859
THOMAS Margaret Bridgend 11a 440
THOMAS Margaret Bridgend 11a 442
THOMAS Margaret Bridgend 11a 443

just looked find my past has 12 Margaret Thomas's born in Bridgend in1860 even if I get them how do I know which is the right one.