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16 Sep 2015 09:46 |
Baptism County Somerset Place Freshford Church St Peter Tr RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 11 Aug 1867 Forename Henry Sex M FatherForename William MotherForename Jane FatherSurname FLETCHER Abode Freshford FatherOccupation Carrier
(and Henry perhaps?)
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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- FLETCHER William Bradford, W. 5a 167 Pickering Charlotte Bradford Wilts 5a 167
Burial County Somerset Place Freshford Church St Peter Tr RegisterNumber BurialDate 10 Dec 1868 Forename Jane Surname FLETCHER Age 41 Abode Pipe House Freshford
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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Dea
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16 Sep 2015 09:49 |
Must go and get dressed - see you later ;-) ;-) ;-)
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MarieCeleste
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16 Sep 2015 09:58 |
According to a tree on Ancestry, Frances Fletcher died in Brisbane in 1931 in Queensland, Australia.
There is this arrival:
Name: Mrs Fletcher Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Age: 57 Arrival Date: 2 Nov 1914 Arrival Port: Brisbane, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Orsova Nationality: British
On the image the entry is for Mrs Fletcher and Miss Fletcher, aged 26. Could that be Edith travelling under her aunt's surname?
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16 Sep 2015 10:05 |
Looks highly likely MC as they had lived together for all those years and I don't believe that Frances had any living children ?
She must have come back if she was the one who died here in 1970 but I can't at the moment to see her returning.
Dea x
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16 Sep 2015 10:06 |
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Edith Holley Gender: Female Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1893 Departure Date: 8 May 1914 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Brisbane, Australia Ship Name: Osterley Shipping line: Orient Line Official Number: 128287 Master: W H Jenks
and on the same ship
Name: Frances Fletcher Gender: Female Age: 60 Birth Date: abt 1854 Departure Date: 8 May 1914 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Brisbane, Australia Ship Name: Osterley Shipping line: Orient Line Official Number: 128287 Master: W H Jenks
Just too much of a coincidence.
Looks like they'd originally been due to depart 24 April but changed their departure.
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16 Sep 2015 10:07 |
1931 C1424 Frances Elizabeth Fletcher John Annetts Helen Freeman
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths
(from above)
edits
Fletcher Francis Elizabeth 13/06/1931 MP-10-377
http://research.gympiecemeterytrust.com.au:8008/mapguide/Gympie/Public/index.php
Chris :)
(yep, must get moving here also, been in 'chair' too long, Well done too MC, will leave you with it, lol)
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MarieCeleste
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16 Sep 2015 10:07 |
I really do not think that the 1970 death is her at all. It is highly likely the other West Ham woman.
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MarieCeleste
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16 Sep 2015 10:16 |
Here she is!
Name: Edith Louise Holley Gender: Female Electoral Year: 1926 Subdistrict: Gympie State: Queensland District: Wide Bay Country: Australia Residence Address: Deep Creek Occupation: Home Duties
Aunt Frances is also in Deep Creek, Gympie
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16 Sep 2015 11:17 |
Well, I think that's 'cracked it' then - Great teamwork !
Dea x
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16 Sep 2015 11:42 |
John's not the only one confused by the two Ediths -
a tree on Ancestry has all the details of the Somerset family, but gives the Redbridge death for Edith.
It also says she married Alfred (no surname) - no proof given.
The Edith who died in Redbridge died as Holly / Holley - presumably unmarried.
So it's the Somerset Edith who went to Australia who may have married Alfred?
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16 Sep 2015 11:58 |
Edith in 1928 (she's not "Mrs" - that 's a mistranscription):
Mrs Edith Louise Holley in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Name: Mrs Edith Louise Holley Gender: Female Electoral Year: 1928 Subdistrict: Gympie State: Queensland District: Wide Bay Country: Australia Address: Mrs Bell's, Channon Street.
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16 Sep 2015 16:13 |
(nothing further on Edith!, but just to add below) (Newspaper items relating also, to 2 Deaths below)
Deaths Dec 1940 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------- Holley Alice P 78 Kingswood 6a 533
Deaths Dec 1932 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------ HOLLEY William 69 Bradford-on-A. 5a 124
Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- Fletcher Henry 41 Cockermouth 10b 431
(on below)
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
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(below relates to West Ham Family)
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------- HOLLEY John Thomas St.Neot's Salloway Ellen St Neots 3b 508 (her Father, Ephraim)
Deaths Jun 1914 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- Holley John T 58 W. Ham 4a 248
(his Burial on below link)
https://www.deceasedonline.com/
(1911 address, 7 Short Road Leytonstone, Low Leyton, Essex, England)
Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%) -------------------------------------------- Holley Ellen 62 W.Ham 4a 614
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18 Sep 2015 00:45 |
Thanks everyone. The 2 dead are twins and they lived for 1 month. Edith was still alive at the 1911 censor and one other was living at the place of her work. All I need is confirmation that the Edith Louise Holley who was at Claybury is the same person as stated on the Birth cert.
Thanks John Holley.
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18 Sep 2015 07:00 |
John, can you just read through below items, don't you think that Birth date given at Death, belongs to other Edith perhaps...
Unfortunately we haven't uncovered more on your Edith Louise in Australia, but other info. is very good so far...
(and, for your confirmation question, No, would say not her!, and if still in doubt to perhaps get the other Edith Birth Cert.)
Chris :)
John Report 16 Sep 2015 02:49
I can confirm that Edith Louise Holly was born on 14 Jun 1891 at Warleigh,Bathford,RSDand her parents were listed as William Holly and Alice Priscilla Pickering The death cert States the a Edith Holley died on the 12 Nov 1970 at 19 ManorRd Redbridge.the date of birth is said to be 6 Aug 18919
(then posted earlier)
Baptism County Somerset Place Bathford Church St Swithin Tr RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 26 Jul 1891 Forename Edith Louise Sex F FatherForename William MotherForename Alice FatherSurname HOLLY Abode Warleigh FatherOccupation Labourer
Births Sep 1891 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------ HOLLY Edith Louise Bath 5c 599
(then below one)
First name(s) EDITH Last name HOLLEY Gender Female Birth day 6 Birth month 8 Birth year 1891 Death quarter 4 Death year 1970 District REDBRIDGE County Essex Volume 5D Page 1580
possibly her birth
First name(s) EDITH Last name HOLLEY Birth year 1891 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's last name - District WEST HAM County Essex Country England Volume 4A Page 275
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MarieCeleste
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18 Sep 2015 08:31 |
I don't think there is any doubt that the Edith Louise in Australia is the correct one, the problem is where did she go after 1928?
As her aunt died 1931 might she have got an inheritance that enabled her to travel elsewhere? Going by the Electoral Rolls, Edith Louise worked in hotels/guest houses - have looked for clues there but no joy. (She's not the Edith Louisa Roberts at the Appollonian Hotel, Gympie on the 1936 ER with husband Percy Emanuel Roberts - that woman was born Edith Louisa Ferguson in 1903).
Aunt Frances Elizabeth Fletcher lived with her nephew Frank on the ERs (he's Frank Alexander Fletcher, born c1884 Cockermouth to her sister Annie Freeman Annetts (who also seems to have married a different Henry Fletcher!)).
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18 Sep 2015 08:43 |
Have followed Frank (guess he'd be Edith Louise's cousin).
He died in 1936. He's on the 1934 Electoral Roll:
Name: Frank Fletcher Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1934 Subdistrict: Gympie State: Queensland District: Wide Bay Country: Australia Residence Address: Deep Creek Occupation: Timber Getter
I scrolled through the pages of the ER to the H's and Edith Louise Holley is still there at Mrs Bell's, Channon Street - yet can't get her on any searches, even allowing for bad mis-transcriptions.
Frank dies in 1936, he's still recorded in 1936 at the above address but Edith Louise is no longer listed.
So, there was some life event circa 1935 for Edith Louise - marriage, death, relocation?
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18 Sep 2015 08:52 |
MC, did look at Mrs Bell the other night, Clara Belinda, Death 1949 Queensland, on ER 1928 as 'Clerk'...
(Trove, Newspapers not helping either!)
Chris :)
AT LIMPLEY STOKE Funeral of Mrs. Alice Hoiley The funeral of Mrs. Alice Priscilla Holley, widow of Mr. William Holley, of Limpley Stoke took place on Thursday last week at the Church of St. Mary the Virgin. Limpley Stoke, the Rev. T. F. Baker officiating ...” 09 November 1940 - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Bath, Somerset
THE LATE MR. W. HOLLEY Funeral Service at Limpley Stoke The funeral took place on Wednesday at St. Mary the Virgin's Church, Limpley Stoke, of Mr. William Holley, a resident of Limpley Stoke. At the church two hymns, "Thy way, not mine, O Lord" and "Abide with me,'' and the 39th ...” 19 November 1932 - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Bath, Somerset
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