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I am trying to find relatives of Harry Charles Derry, Charles Derry, Charles Lindon Derry or Sealey. Dob c 1973-1979

He married Caroline Sarah Buck in 1901 and then Rose Williams in 1922 whilst still married to Caroline and was sentence to 6 months for bigamy. He was in and out of prison for petty crimes and was usually moved to a lunatic asylum but was declared Not Insane at one. He was an actor/theatrical agent. He may at one time have been in the 2nd Battalion Welsh Regiment

Think you have some dates wrong somewehere

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
Buck Caroline Sarah W. Derby 8b 1066
DERRY Harry Cecil C W. Derby 8b 1066

Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
DERRY Charles L Williams Newton A 5b 346
WILLIAMS Rose Derry Newton A. 5b 346

So all those names in your post are for the same person ?



First name(s) Charles Lindon Or Harry Charles
Last name Derry Or Sealey
Occupation Journalist
Age 46
Birth year 1878
Year 1924
Date 07 Jun 1924
County Devon
Place -
Court Castle Of Exeter
Victim's first name(s) Rose
Victim's last name Williams
Victim 2 first name(s) Caroline
Victim 2 last name Sarah
Series HO140
Source Calendar Of Prisoners At The Assizes For The Year 1924
Piece number 382
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935

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Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
DERRY Charles Richmond, S. 2a 332

Charle Derry
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Charle Derry
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Charles Derry
Mother: Margaret Derry
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Murray Buildings
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 599
Folio: 51
Page Number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Derry 28
Margaret Derry 28
Charle Derry 5
Grace M. Derry 3



Charles Derry
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charles Derry
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Margaret Derry
Gender: Male
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St James Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas and St John the Baptist
Town: Westminster
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 86
Folio: 123
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Derry 39
Charles Derry 15 - telegraph messenger
Grace Derry 12
Cornelius Derry 7
Ernest Derry 1

Harry C Devere

in the 1901 England Census
Name: Harry C Devere
[Harry Cecil Derere]
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Occupation: Theatrical manager <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3416
Folio: 81
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 43

Can't see any sign of children from either marriage.

His brother Cornelius - a much more respectable character!:

Cornelius Philip Derry

in the 1911 England Census
Name: Cornelius Philip Derry
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: LONDON, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Search Photos: Search for 'Lewisham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 29 Farley Rd, Catford S E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: ELECTRIC TRAM CONDUCTOR
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Piece: 2783



Cornelius Philip Derry
in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Cornelius Philip Derry
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Age: 30
Spouse: Frances Mary Louise Wilson
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Jun 1913
Parish: St Mark, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Charles Bernard Derry
Spouse Father: John William Wilson
Register Type: Parish Register



Cornelius Philip Derry
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Cornelius Philip Derry
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1882
Marriage Date: 7 Jun 1913
Marriage Place: Church Deplford
Age: 32
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: 66 Malpas Rd, Brockley S E
Regimental Number: 10322
Regiment Name: Royal Fusiliers
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 7
Other Records: Search for 'Cornelius Philip Derry' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Cornelius Philip Derry Self (Head)
Francis Mary Louise Milson Spouse
John Frances Charles Derry Child
Robert Cornelins Derry Child
Lily Agnes Derry Child
Friederick Richard Derry Child



Cornelius Philip Derry
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Cornelius Philip Derry
Probate Date: 8 Jul 1957
Death Date: 2 Dec 1956
Death Place: Kent, England
Registry: Lewes

Derry, Cornelius Philip of Chesleigh, Albion Lane, Herne, Herne Bay, Kent died 2 December 1956 at Herne Bay Hospital, Herne Bay/ administration (with Will) Lewes 8 July to Frances Mary Louise Derry, widow, and John Francis Charles Derry, butler. Effects £2016 0s 11d.

thank you to everyone that posted reply - I will do some more research.

Yes this person is the same person and probably had more aliaises.

No idea if this is connected- but it does mention a child:

Nottingham Evening Post - Wednesday 30 April 1902
SUICIDAL DISPAIR
A determined attempt at suicide was made in the police cell at Blyth yesterday by a theatrical advance agent named Harry Derry alias Cross. Derry, with his wife and child had been in lodgings at Blyth and had absconded with watches and jewellery belonging to the landlord....

Seems there was a child, according to newspaper articles 1902, "he was visited by his wife and baby".

Chris :)

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(First Marriage on above)

edits

(apologies Gritty, didn't see you there, lol, another relating below)

theatrical advance agent named Harry Derry. He broke plate on which his dinner had been served, and with one of the fragments inflicted a deep and ...”

03 May 1902 - Worcestershire Chronicle - Worcester, Worcestershire

The 1901 put up by Argyll earlier also has Caroline on it:

Name: Caroline S Devere
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 3416 Folio: 81 Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 43

Henry Graham 53
Mary C Graham 44
Henry R V Graham 25
Mary Emily Graham 18
Annie V Graham 13
Harry C Devere 27<<<<<<<<<
Edward Burton 51
Helena J Burton 48
Mennie O Graham 11/12
Isaac Hyams 46
Hester Hyams 45
Caroline S Devere 21<<<<<<<<<<
Dorothey C Burton 12
Charles Fisher 44

Baptism
Name: Harry Aubry S Endrie Derry
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1904
Father's name: Harry Charles Derry (Window cleaner)
Mother's name: Caroline Sarah Derry
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 28th Sept 1903

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) HARRY AUBREY S
Last name DERRY
Gender Male
Birth year 1903
Age 1
Death quarter 4
Death year 1904
District SHOREDITCH
County London
Volume 1C Page 86

Thank you again for all this information.

I am trying to find the first child. No luck yet. But Harry Aubry S Endrie Derry died a year later. I am waiting for certificates now, You have been so helpful. I knew nothing about the Lancashire BMD website and will now explore. It has taken 20 years to find this elusive (grandfather) and only found because of FindMyPast Convicts and Criminals! Again thank you. Every scrap of information is greatly received

Regards

Josephine

Is his military record on Find My Past?

On of the newspaper article re the Bigamy conviction in 1924 (Devon) states he joined the army before the war and was demobilised. He rejoined when was broke out, and was discharged in 1920 being unfit for further service. It says he served in the Welch and Hampshire regiments and the RAF. Derry states he finished as a sergeant major.

Is this Caroline's death? Do you know who registered the death? Could be a relative?
First name(s) CAROLINE S
Last name DERRY
Gender Female
Birth year 1879
Age 81
Death quarter 2
Death year 1960
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 3C Page 288

As they obviously travelled around so much, it will be almost impossible to track down the birth of the first child - at a guess, born between mid 1901 and May 1902 - unless it survived infancy and can be found with Caroline in 1911.

this is Caroline and family in 1881- I wondered if Caroline was with her mother in 1911, but can't see her. Eleanor was definitely alive in 1911 as she gave a witness statement at the bigamy trial in 1924.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12, Winkle Street, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Edward Buck Head Married Male 31 1850 Agent For Sewing Machines West Bromwich, Staff
Elanor J Buck Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
John E Buck Son Single Male 3 1878 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Caroline S Buck Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire,

In 1891 father was a Superintendant of Model Lodging House, Birmingham
Caroline's siblings were:
John E 1878
Amy H 1883 Birmingham
Dorothy C 1889 Birmingham
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Amy Heleanor/ Eleanor married Samuel Clark 1906 in Glamorgan- Caroline isn't with them in 1911

Another child was born to Eleanor and Edward was in 1895 (Hilda Mabel) Smethwick, but it looks as though this child may died in Yorkshire 1897.

I am amazed at how much you have found out! I thought I was quite good at researching but clearly not!

He put listed at 2nd Battalion Welsh Guards - supposedly he was injured in France and sent home. He was apparently on the front of a London National Newspaper in Hyde Park recruiting for the war.

I think I will send for Caroline's certificate just to see who registered death.

Every time he was sentenced to Hard Labour he got himself removed to local asylum! I think he worked out it was easier than hard labour. He was in Prestwich Asylum, Banstead Hospital Burghill Asylum, Exminster! His acting talents must have come in handy. My grandmother lists him as her husband but I do not think they married!! But who knows!

Thank you for you kindness

Regards

Josephine