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Gins, address on the baptism of Albert Robert Howard looks like 24 Carter Street (or possibly Castor Street).

Father, John Thomas Howard is a Carpenter.

Also baptised same date:

William Pyers- son of William & Selina Pyers of same address as above

oh my goodness lots of info to decipher here thank you so much.

Think I have been onto the family that Gritty mentions (Eliza Pyers)
but because I couldn't find parents I gave up. Intrigued to see the names Abell and Howard crop up especially Howard as that was my Grandads middle name and he had an older brother with the middle name of Abel.

Malyon's William is def correct...so my GG Grandmother is Sarah Ann....not sure who Sarah Elizabeth is.....Gritty are you saying that Sarah lied about her father...potentially the William Francis Pyers (mariner) that I'm looking for??

More confused than ever now!!! lol... :-S

Clara Hagger was my G Grandmother...William's second marriage he was married to her sister first Mary Ann he had at least 12 children between them x

I think it's possible that Sarah Ann and Sarah Elizabeth are the same people, and that William Francis Pyers was illegitimate.

The address on William Francis' baptism in March 1859 is given as New Inn Yard and his father is listed as a mariner.

When Sarah Elizabeth marries the following year, her address is New Inn Yard, and her husband is a mariner.

This looks like Sarah



Name:Sarah Elizabeth Pyas

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:14 Jan 1838 Age: 4 weeks & 3 days (fits with the birth registration)

Father's name:Robert Pyas <<? maker

Mother's name:Mary Pyas

Parish or Poor Law Union:Shoreditch St Leonard

Borough:Hackney

Register Type:Parish Registers


Struggling to read the address and occupation of Robert

Sarah Baptism - Occupation of Robert looks to be Stone Mason and I think address is Wood Builds presumably Woods Buildings.

the only thing that's bothering me is when Sarah marries to John Thomas Howard in 1860 she's listed as a minor, yet according to the baptism she would have been over 21.

Is it possible she didn't know her age?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Hackney Road (London Street to Jane Street), St Matthew Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Robert Pyers Male 35 1806 Box Maker Middlesex, England
Mary Pyers Female 25 1816 Middlesex, England
Eliza Pyers Female 8 1833 Middlesex, England
Mary Pyers Female 5 1836 Middlesex, England
Sarah Pyers Female 3 1838 Middlesex, England
Susan Pyers Female 1 1840 Middlesex, England

totally confused....inspite of all the help thanks

Still feel no further progress made in tracking down Sarah Peryer my gg grandmother and William F Pyers my gg grandad.....unless I'm totally missing the point

maybe they got married on a ship??

Sorry to have confused you! - perhaps the address on William Francis Pyer's baptism being the same as Sarah Elizabeth Pyers marriage is just a coincidence- I just thought it may be worth looking into.

Good luck with your search

Gritty

'a coincidence' I don't think so

It is absolutely a weave of intriguing,,,,,

I can't find evidence of another 'Sarah' that would diminish our hypothesis

Perhaps William Francis and Sarah Elizabeth were brother and sister with a big age gap that's why they were at the same address until she married

could this be william in 1881 census

COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
William Puryer
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name William Puryer
Age (Original) 28
Gender Male
Birth Year 1853
Birthplace Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household Husband Head
Marital Status Married
Occupation Washstand Maker (Cabt Maker)
Address 24 Wolverley St
Event Place Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 413 / 72
Page Number 16
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

William Puryer Husband Head M 28 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Sarah Puryer Wife F 26 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Sarah Puryer Daughter F 8 Limehouse, Middlesex, England
William Puryer Son M 1 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Gins, it is a hard one to put down!

Deborah, who did William list as his father on his marriages?

What address did he give on his first marriage, and who were the witnesses?


Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b Page: 766
Lizzie Forde
Mary Ann Hagger
William Francis Pyers
John Edmond Walshe

My G Grandad William Francis Pyers was born on 4th March 1859 this I know for sure.

His parents are clearly stated on his birth certificate as William Francis Pyers (mariner) and Sarah Peryer of 28 Whitecross Place Shoreditch.

I have just started looking again after a 4 year break and I must admit that I have never obtained either of his marriage certificates as I was always told the story of his marriage to two sisters and all the brothers and sisters my Grandad had.

Obviously this is the next thing I need to do.....I never thought of it.
:-D

(below relates to find by Gritty, 'Removal Order', another also for children 1851)

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1850 (>99%)
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Pyers Mary Ann Bethnal Grn 2 29


Deaths Jun 1849 (>99%)
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Pyers Robert Bethnal Green 2 27


Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
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Milbourn Charles William Bethnal Gn 1c 601
Pyers Eliza Mary Bethnal Gn 1c 601

(Boston Street, Hackney Road, 1861)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7895540

(Robert from 1851 Census)


Births Sep 1847 (>99%)
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PYERS Abel Bethnal Gr'n 2 39

I've checked 28 Whitecross Place in the 1861 Census; there appear to be four families living in the property but none seem to be the family that we are looking for.

the mystery continues...the fact that by his baptism 4 weeks after his birth the address has changed to 9 New Inn yard is also confusing

am very grateful for everyone's input <3

I wouldn't worry about the change in address. It was quite common for families to move on a regular basis for the period we are looking at

well I have now sent off for one of the marriage certificates, lets hope it sheds some light for me :-)