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Hi Argyll Gran
You have definitely found my Grandmothers birth 1883 - no idea who the other one is and family names are all wrong. You have also found her death in 1933 and she never married.

Chris - you have found my parents marriage in 1939 - Reginald and Jane (my Mother known asJean.)

There seem to be rather a lot of Bourhills in that area - My Mother always said that many came over with Mary Queen of Scots - and were originally Bourbons ! and they all settled in an area of Edinburgh still known as 'Little France. My Mother also said she was related to Bryant and May - the firm who made matches ! and yes there was a Bryant who lived with them - a Grandmother or similar.

Many thanks for all your hard work.I do so appreciate it.
Only thing left now i to find my Grandfathers death - where and when - James Brooker - no idea.
Since all correspondence from him stopped in 1924 and he seems to have been a very poorly individual I guess he probably died early. BUT odd thing is my Mother used to go to visit 'someone' in a nursing home near Lasswade in the 1950s. I was never taken or told who - but Nursing home no longer there and there are no records as far as I know. She never spoke about it - but I would have liked to have known my Grandfather IF it had been him ! NO record of his death here though.
Thanks again

Pat

http://www.mocavo.co.uk/Post-Office-Annual-Directory-1921-22-Volume-1921-22/832628/1002

(Bourhill Miss Jane 4 Linden Place, confectioner)

Above from google, up to 1933 - 1934.


(noticed also, if in family somewhere!, 1887, Bourhill, Thos., carter, 10 Linden place )


11 July 1901 - Edinburgh Evening News - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

DEATHS.
BOURHILL - At 10 Linden Place, Loanhead, on the 10th inst.. Jane Yourt Reid, widow of Thomas, late of Musselburgh.


1901 (Find My Past)
Thomas Bourhill Head Married Male 72 1829 Not Employed (Unable) Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland
Jane Bourhill Wife Married Female 70 1831 - Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
James Watson Grandson Single Male 19 1882 Coalminers Drawer Lasswade, Midlothian, Scotland
Linden Place, 12, High Street, Lasswade, Midlothian, Scotland

Chris :)

23 September 1939 - Edinburgh Evening News - Edinburgh, Midlothia

MARRIAGES
YELLAND - BOURHILL - At Strathesk Church, Lasswade. on September 16, by the Rev, David Gray, REGINALD IRVING YELLAND. Rotehill House, Dumfries, to JANE BOURHILL, 2 Strathesk Cottages, Lasswade.


(agrees with AG, no nearer, but annoying, lol)


edits (you say)

"Suspect she gave birth to my Mum in a Mother and Baby home in Lincolnshire.(1918)"

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Bourhill Jane H _ Bourhill Louth 7a 808

(does it give a clue on above Cert.?)

Still, if this is your grandmother's death, it does show she was born 1883:

1933 BOURHILL JANE EWART REID F 50 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 0825


(Sorry - I know this is way off your search for Edward Yelland, or even James Brooker!)

Well . . . .

having looked for a Jane Bourhill born c 1895, to match the one in 1911 census, (in case the wrong age had been written in 1911) I found this birth:

1894 BOURHILL JANE EWART REID F LASSWADE /MIDLOTHIAN 691/00 0143

Odd ???
Are you quite sure your grandmother was the one born in 1883?

This would be the 1894 one in 1901:

Jane Bourhill
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Bourhill
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relationship: Daur (Child)
Father's name: Henry Bourhill
Mother's name: Marion Bourhill
Gender: Female
Where born: Loanhead, mid lothian
Registration Number: 691
Registration district: Lasswade
Civil Parish: Lasswade
Town: Loanhead
County: Midlothian
Address: 7 Ramsay Sqr
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 108
LINE: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_396
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bourhill 44
Marion Bourhill 48
Thomas Bourhill 20
Marion Bourhill 10
Robert Bourhill 13
Joseph Bourhill 9
Jane Bourhill 6
Henry Bourhill 4
Maggie Bourhill 2


And presumably Sarah in 1911 is her sister-in-law:

Marriage:
1911 BOURHILL ROBERT
JENKINSON SARAH TELFER
BORTHWICK /MIDLOTHIAN 674/00 0002


Sarah's birth in Glencorse, as stated in 1911:

1886 JENKINSON SARAH TELFER F GLENCORSE (MIDLOTHIAN) /MIDLOTHIAN 687/00 0023

1911 Scottish census is on ScotlandsPeople. I used a few credits to have a look, but as I said, I couldn't find her.

There is a Jane Bourhill in Lasswade, but she's 16, born Lasswade, an outworker on a farm.
She's a "relation" of Sarah Bourhill, married, age 23, born Glencorse, Midlothian.
Sarah's maybe married 1 year, though it says "unclear", (at least I think that's what the word is) and she has not had any children.
Only the two of them in the household.

There's another Jane Bourhill, aged 4, in Dunbartonshire, but I haven't looked at the image for that record.

Thanks Argyll Gran

I have most of the info on her - it was a bit tangled too as she ended being brought up by Aunts etc and several second marriages and similar names were used - Eliza, Lisa, Liza etc etc.etc were involved.- I have no-one left to ask there and there were no clues in my Mothers papers after she died. in 1986. Not sure that the 1911 census in Scotland is on line as yet. Suspect she gave birth to my Mum in a Mother and Baby home in Lincolnshire.(1918) She died when my Mother was early teens - flu epidemic so my Mum was brought up by cousins and Aunts.- all gone now. My Grandmother must have been 35+ when she had my Mother. We recently trraced my Grandmothers grave. She did end up in Lasswade/Loanhead with a nice little shop- sweets I think -with money allegedly sent from Jim. ? It is rather a poor area - paper mill and mining area.
Thanks again
Pat

I can't find your grandmother in 1911, neither in Scotland nor England - hoped that might give some sort of clue.


Your grandmother's birth:

1883 BOURHILL JANE EWART REID F LASSWADE /MIDLOTHIAN 691/00 0224


Jane Bourhill
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Bourhill
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relationship: Granddaur (Granddaughter)
Father's name: Robert Bourhill
Mother's name: Elizabeth A Bourhill
Gender: Female
Where born: Lasswade, Midlothian
Registration Number: 691
Registration district: Lasswade
Civil Parish: Lasswade
County: Midlothian
Address: No 6 Downie Place
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 60
LINE: 10
Roll: CSSCT1891_361
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Bryant 55
Robert Bourhill 32
Elizabeth A Bourhill 28
Eliza Bourhill 9
Jane Bourhill 7
Thomas Bourhill 6
Elizabeth A Bourhill 3
Margaret Bourhill 9 Mos



Jane Bourhill
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Bourhill
[Jane Robertson]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relationship: Daur (Child)
Father's name: George Robertson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Robertson
Gender: Female
Where born: Loanhead, Midlothian
Registration Number: 691
Registration district: Lasswade
Civil Parish: Lasswade
County: Midlothian
Address: The Loan Downie Pl No 6
Occupation: Paper Mill Worker
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 55
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1901_396
Household Members:
Name Age
George Robertson 37
Elizabeth Ann Robertson 38
Elisa Bourhill 19 - daughter
Jane Bourhill 17 - daughter
Thomas Bourhill 16 - son
Elizabeth Bourhill 13 - daughter
Margaret Bourhill 11 - daughter
Laurie Bourhill 9 - daughter
Elizabeth Ann Bryant 67 - mother-in-law
Annie Bourhill 2 Moths - grandchild
Charles Robertson 1 Moths - son

Hi all]
Many thanks for all you hard work - it gets so engrossing doesn't it - but I don't have the in- depth knowledge to know where to look.I have no idea where my Grandmother Jane might have met my Grandfather - James(Jim) - Grandmother came from a little mining village just outside Edinburgh and he apparently came from England - possibly London or Cambridgeshire. I think my Grandmother was a cook or housekeeper, and James was probably a footman or gardener although obviously not a very fit chap. Maybe some of these army Generals etc moved around the country (at one time she worked for one in Fife - not far for Edinburgh - a Gen Brown I think)and maybe she moved with them to cook etc. No idea. I do have a photo which may be my Grandfather but can;t recognise the uniform or badge etc and it may be anyone ? Odd thing that my mother Jane was given the full name Jane Houghton Brooker Bourhill - and I always though James might be James Hougton brooker - but it transpires that my Mother once asked to be take to see Houghton Hall - Lincolnshire or East Anglia - as she apparently reckoned they met there. - I did write and ask if they had a list of staff employed in the early1900s but got no reply.
Anyway - many thanks for all your work.

Pat

Howard Clifton Brown was the General...

(his Father James below, links to Holmbush)

http://sueyounghistories.com/archives/2010/03/05/james-clifton-brown-1841-1917/

Chris :)

Some Scate items on below

http://calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/calmview/

(Thomas Scate was Grocer, 1901)


(and below links could also be useful!)

http://www.huntsfhs.org.uk/

http://www.lincstothepast.com/

http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/


(certainly is a mystery!)

Thanks, Pat.

So presumably Annie lived in Huntingdon at the time she was sending the postcards. I had hoped she might show up on the 1911 census, but no sign of her as Brooker
There is an Annie Brooker, married to a James, both born 1883, in Huntingdon in 1911, but he's a domestic coachman and they have a child, David - so can't be the right person.

If she was in Northampton in 1911, her surname wasn't Brooker - and there are huge numbers of Annies, let alone Ann(e)s!

I wonder when James worked in Huntingdon, and at what job.
Scate's was at 85 High Street (according to Google). Opposite it nowadays looks like some sort of small park, on Google Streetview.

According to link below, Holmbush House, Faygate, Sussex, was a private house until 1951, when it became a hospital.
http://www.campbellmgold.com/archive_general/holmbush_house.pdf

Would be fascinating to know what significance it had for either Annie, James, or your grandmother. Maybe none!

Malyon - I must apologise - I think you may well have found the previous generation to William - I have printed it all out and will go through it when I have more time properly
Pushed for time at the moment - I am a retired vet and still help with Cavalier spaniel problems on an Internet forum. !
Thanks again

Pat

Hi all - ThanK you so much for all your hard work in research BUT I DO have the RIGHT ancestor William Yelland - b 1779 a shipwright in Plymouth - married to Ann (possibly Castle) b1780. There are loads of other yYellands in Devon and Cornwall - common name - but I do have the right ones. William and Anne were married in 1802. Anne may have been from Kent. I just wondered if there is any way of getting further back on WILLIAM. . Their children were all born in Hornsey. I am really grateful for allthe help I have been given here - I wish I had known about this section a lot sooner !
Pat

Argyll Gran-
Re Postacards from my Grandfather - One of the 'Bridge' St Ives Post Marked 1924(last one)one of the war Memorial Huntingdon, one Post Marked Huntingdon 1916 address to my Grandmother c/o General Brown, Malta House, Alford Lincs. (she was probably in service) one post marked 1916 Huntingdon showing the HIGH St Huntingdon showing a shop Scate - and Annie says Jim used to work oppositein the house between 2 little lamps ? one PC from Annie 1917 with Holmbush House, Faygate > addressed to my Grandmother - Miss Bourhill, The Manor House, Alford, and another to same address 1916 but c/o Col Dennison.
Think she must have been a housekeeper or similar.to the Military folk ? There is really no proper info in the Postcards but it is clear that my Grandfather knew of the birth of my Mother and was delighted and was looking forward to seeing her !
Sorry this is probably NO help at all.
Best wishes
Pat

Any name of that Huntingdon street on postcard?, not much for Hunts. on newspapers as a whole, tends to lean to Cambs.

Chris :)

I have Yellands from Roche in Cornwall. It is akin to the name Smith methinks

Jude

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John Yelland
mentioned in the record of Elizabeth Yelland
Name: John Yelland
Gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Daughter: Elizabeth Yelland
Other information in the record of Elizabeth Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Elizabeth Yelland
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 May 1766
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

John Yelland
mentioned in the record of Benjamin Yelland
Name: John Yelland
Gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Son: Benjamin Yelland
Other information in the record of Benjamin Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Benjamin Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 03 Nov 1771
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

John Yelland
England Births and Christenings
Name: John Yelland
gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Son: John Yelland
Other information in the record of John Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: John Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1757
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

John Yelland
mentioned in the record of Thomas Yelland
Name: John Yelland
Gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Son: Thomas Yelland
Other information in the record of Thomas Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Thomas Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 May 1762
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

John Yelland
mentioned in the record of Richard Yelland
Name: John Yelland
gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Son: Richard Yelland
Other information in the record of Richard Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Richard Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 06 Mar 1764
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

children of john and elizabeth


John Yelland
mentioned in the record of Joanna Yelland
Name: John Yelland
gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Daughter: Joanna Yelland
Other information in the record of Joanna Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Joanna Yelland
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Jun 1760
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

John Yelland
mentioned in the record of David Yelland
Name: John Yelland
gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Son: David Yelland
Other information in the record of David Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: David Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Aug 1773
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


John Yelland
mentioned in the record of Humphry Yelland
Name: John Yelland
Gender:
Male
Wife: Elizabeth
Son: Humphry Yelland
Other information in the record of Humphry Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Humphry Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Jun 1775
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth