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Totally stuck.
Trying to find Edward Yelland born 1802-d 1835 ? - married - possibly to a Ruth 1794-1830 and had 7 children- not all survived - and lived and worked then in Hornsy Middlesex possibly as a labourer..
He was the Father of my Great Great Grandfather JOHN YELLAND BORN 1828. Oddly I have records on a later census of Edward's parents William and Ann - who came from Plymouth where William was a carpenter. William and Anne LATER lived in NORTHANTS - at Harlestone I think with much younger generation of the family.

Come to a total dead end now ? Please help if you can - they were around before census records.

Where was JOHN born?

For INFO

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Nightingale Place, Hornsey, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Yelland Head Married Male 72 1779 Carpenter Plymouth, Devon, England Transcription
Ann Yelland Wife Married Female 71 1780 - Woolwich, Kent, England Transcription
John Yelland Grand Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Footman Hornsey, Middlesex, England Transcription

Just for our ref -
William and Ann with (presumably) a grandson Edward - not that it helps find records of Edward 1802:

Edward Yelland
in the 1841 England Census

Name: Edward Yelland
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hornsey
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey and Highgate
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 663
Book: 4
Folio: 34
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Yelland 60
Ann Yelland 60
Mary Yelland 20
George F Yelland 20
Harriet Yelland 15
John Yelland 14
Edward Yelland 10
James Yelland 40 - this entry scored out on the image
James Boundry 40
John Watson 20
George W Gordon 2

That Edward 1830 is a son of "your" Edward, I see - which you will know already:

Edward Yelland

in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Edward Yelland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Jan 1830
Father's name: Edward Yelland
Mother's name: Ruth Yelland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hornsey St Mary
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

I know you'll have these, Patricia - this is just for our benefit:

Ruth Yelland
in the London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Ruth Yelland
Record Type: Burial
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1795
Death Date: abt 1830
Burial Date: 8 Sep 1830
Burial Place: St Mary, Hornsey, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Hornsey
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Register



Edward Yelland
in the London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Edward Yelland
Record Type: Burial
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Death Date: abt 1835
Burial Date: 12 Nov 1835
Burial Place: St Mary, Hornsey, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Hornsey
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Register

Is this a possibility for his marriage?? Hardly gives him time to have 7 children before 1830:

Edward Yelland
in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Edward Yelland
Spouse: Ruth Rolfe
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1824
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

EDIT:
No, this isn't a clue after all.
George is actually William's son, not Edward's.


George F (see 1841 census above), appears to have been born in Tunbridge Wells - also in 1851-71 censuses:

George F. Yelland
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George F. Yelland
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Hannah Yelland
Gender: Male
Where born: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 1 Nightingale Lane
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gardener (Dom)
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1374
Folio: 121
Page Number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
George F. Yelland 60
Hannah Yelland 62

I can't thank you all enough - I did have the name Ruth - as married to Edward - but I have no idea where I found it. I will read through your replies very carefully - but I have no records at all of Ruth or Edward other than their dates of birth and death and the possibly 7 children they had
Many many thanks- I went cross eyed yesterday thinking I had lost an entire generation. William and Anne (b1780)were the parents of Edward born 1802 - but I have no idea how William and Anne came to be living with their Grandchildren later and no sign of Edward andRuth - presumably they pre-deceased their parents ? I think their son John (MY ancestor) b1828 started as a footman but became a schoolmaster and the rest of the later ancestors went on to be schhoolmasters and Custos people in norfolk.
Thank you all very much again. Pat :-)

Yes - in fact you said it yourself in your opening post - Edward died 1835, and Ruth in 1830 - death records posted above.

As the children would have been very young when Edward and Ruth died, presumably William and Ann took charge of them and brought them up.
so it's more a question of their grandchildren living with them, rather than them living with the grandchildren.

Unless the marriage to Ruth Rolfe, posted above, is the correct one, I can't find any mention of Edward and Ruth either, apart from their deaths, and the births of some of the children.

What names do you have for their children?

Looking again at the 1841 census, and then searching a bit more, it appears that Mary, George F and Harriet are William & Ann's children. Don't know about John.
Edward does seem to be your Edward's son (birth record posted above).


?? YOB a bit out compared with 1841 census:
Mary Yelland
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Yelland
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1817
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1817
Baptism Place: Saint Mary Magdalene,Woolwich,Kent,England
Father: William Yelland
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 307732, 307733, 307734


Harriet Yelland
in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Harriet Yelland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Sep 1823
Father's name: William Yelland
Mother's name: Ann Yelland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


George Frederick Yelland
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Frederick Yelland
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Dec 1820
Baptism Place: Tunbridge, Kent, England
Father: William Yelland
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 1469567
Reference ID: item 5 p 123


Looks like another daughter:

Mercy Yelland
in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mercy Yelland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1817
Father's name: William Yelland
Mother's name: Ann Yelland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Apart from Edward 1830, I can only find records of these children for Ruth & Edward:

Elizabeth Ann Yelland
in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Elizabeth Ann Yelland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 May 1825
Father's name: Edward Yelland
Mother's name: Ruth Yelland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hornsey St Mary
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers



Emma Yelland
in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Emma Yelland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Jan 1827
Father's name: Edward Yelland
Mother's name: Ruth Yelland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hornsey St Mary
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Oh, yes, here's John:


John Zelland
in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Zelland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1828
Father's name: Edward Zelland
Mother's name: Ruth Zelland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hornsey St Mary
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Hi there - thanks very much indeed again.
I have Edward and Ruth as having these children -

Mary b 1821
Elizabeth Anne b 1825
George b 1820
Harriet b 1822-d1826
Emma b 1827
JOHN (MY Great great Grandfather b.1828 - d 1880 ?)
Edward b 1830

They are a bit of a tangled lot eh ? I found somewhere that Edward was a labourer.. His Father William appears to have been a carpenter (possibly a ships carpenter) in Plymouth - Yelland is a common surname in Devon and Cornwall - but NOT up here in Scotland - for a long long time we were the only ones !)

William and Ann appear to have ended up living with John-schoolmaster (and wife Elizabeth) in Harlestone - schoolhouse - Northhants

Thanks for all your help

Pat

Well, as proved by the birth/baptism records posted above, George, Harriet, and probably Mary, were William & Ann's children, not Edward & Ruth's

There's a member's tree on Ancestry which says Ruth was Ruth Rolfe, 1795-1830.


John's death, according to that tree:

John Yelland
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Yelland
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Brixworth
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 79


And probate of his Will:

John Yelland
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: John Yelland
Probate Date: 11 Aug 1880
Death Date: 26 Jul 1880
Death Place: Northamptonshire, England
Registry: Northampton

John Yelland
Personal Estate under £200.
11 August
Administration of the personal estate of John Yelland. late of Harlestone in the county of Northampton, schoolmaster, who dies on 26th July 1880 at Harlestone was granted at Northampton to Elizabeth Yelland of Harlestone, widow the relict.

Burial
County Northamptonshire
Place Harlestone
Church St Andrew
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 29 Jul 1880
Forename John
Surname YELLAND
Age 51
Abode Harlestone
Notes buried in East J 6; Master of Harlestone National School for 27 years & a stone was erected in his memory in the churchyard by public subscription


(above from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


Baptism
County Kent
Place Woolwich
Church St Mary Magdalene
RegisterNumber 154
DateOfBirth 03 Jul 1823
BaptismDate 10 Sep 1823
Forename Harriet
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname YELLAND
Abode Church Hill
FatherOccupation Ship Wright


County Kent
Place Woolwich
Church St Mary Magdalene
RegisterNumber 809
DateOfBirth 02 Feb 1817
BaptismDate 26 Feb 1817
Forename Mercy
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname YELLAND
Abode Church Street
FatherOccupation Victualler

Many thanks again - I have been trying to do this for some years and I have an even more difficult one - the last link I am trying to find -- to find records of my Mother's Father - a James Brooker -who possibly came from around Huntingdonshire or London. My Mother was illegitimate - born 1918 in Louth -Lincolnshire - her mother was Jane Ewart Reid Bourhill from Midlothian - Lasswade in Scotland - but she appeared to be working as a servant to an Army General in Alford Lincolnshire. Both Jane and James were born around 1886, James was possibly a gardener or similar and worked for a while as a young man in Hungtingdon.
His Mother- or sister was Annie.

There is 'Houghton' in my Mothers name - Jane Houghton Brooker Bourhill - so perhaps James and Jane met if they were working at Houghton Hall - East Anglia ? No idea really.
He enlisted for the war - 1914 I think - possibly Labour corps - and I did find charred records of him in the army on the internet. BUT he was not fit (emphysema)and was sent home after 2 weeks in France where my Mother was told he was gassed wi h mustard gas.

He was aware of my Mothers birth in 1918 and I have postcards from him saying how delighted he was and hoped to see her soon etc. etc. The postcards stopped in 1923 and I have no idea where or when he died or is buried. In those days illegitimacy was a real stigma and if my Mother knew any more about him she never said.. I think he may have spent some time in Hinchingbrooke H ouse which was used as a hospital in the 1st war - and I asked but there appear to be no records. -Huntingdon again. I would love to have known about him- and where and when he died. but have tried for nearly 20 years to find out more, without any success. i don;t know if he ever got to Scotland or met my Mother etc all but it was said he sent money etc and set my grandmother up with enough to buy a little shop. She died when my Mother was 12 - and so maybe she knew little about him.

Any help again - more than welcome.
Thanks again for all the time you have spent on the Yelland side.

Pat

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Saleby
Church St Margaret
RegisterNumber 528
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 09 Aug 1918
Forename Jane Houghton Brooker
FatherForename
MotherForename Jane Ewart
FatherSurname
MotherSurname BOURHILL
Abode Thoresthorpe

(you probably have above)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(no idea on below!)

1911 (Find My Past)
James Brooker Head Married Male Coachman Domestic 28 1883 Wrestlingworth Beds
Annie Brooker Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Papworth St Agnes Cambs
David James Brooker Son - Male - 7 1904 Papworth St Agnes Cambs
Address 38 Great Northern Street Huntingdon
Parish Huntingdon
Census reference RG14 PN8754 RG78 PN456 RD171 SD4 ED3 SN258


Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
BROOKER James 79 Huntingdon 4b 464


Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%)
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BROOKER ANNIE 80 HUNTINGDON 4B 333


Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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BROOKER James Caxton 3b 977
FOX Annie Caxton 3b 977


Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

James Brooker
B299272 Hunts Cyclists 290271
(Enlistment. 25/1/15 Discharge 1/1/19 Served Overseas. Yes)

Assuming this is the military record Patricia mentions, it doesn't sound as if the James Brooker in 1911 (posted by Chris) can be him - (sorry, Chris, I'm doing it again!)


James Brooker
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: James Brooker
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 32
Document Year: 1918
Residence Place: Y M C A, Camberwell Green, London S E
Regimental Number: 210400
Regiment Name: Labour Corps
Form Title: Proceedings on Discharge
Number of Images: 11
Name Relation to Soldier
James Brooker Self (Head)


Enlisted 26/07/1917 at Whitechapel
Served: France 10/10/1917 - 17/11/1917
Discharged: Nottingham 13/08/1918 - Physically unfit.
5' 3" tall
Fair complexion; blue eyes; brown hair
Former trade: hawker. <<<<<<<<<<
Character: Honest & hardworking
Disability aggravated by MS.
Facts of disability: Out of 13 months service he has spent 4 months in different hospitals with bronchitis and emphysema.
Origin of disability: childhood

No mention of a wife.

I'm surprised they accepted him for the Army in the first place!