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The couple from the marriage above travelled to Canada in 1920. On the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), if it's the same person, Louise gives her age as 39 (b1881) and nearest relative as Mother- Mrs Wilkins, Leicester,

Adding this Marriage to the Thread...could Louise Kitchinman be Louise Hutchinson?

Marriages Jun 1920

Hornby Ernest T Kitchinman Leicester 7a 896
Kitchinman Louise Leicester 7a 896

Might be nothing....

First name(s) ROBERT L
Last name HORNBY
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1939
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ROBERT L HORNBY married
OLIVE L POOLE
Spouse's last name POOLE
District LEICESTER
District number -
County Leicestershire
Country England
Volume 7A
Page 325

First name(s) ROBERT LAURENCE
Last name HORNBY
Gender Male
Birth day 11
Birth month 9
Birth year 1912
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1975
District LEICESTER CENTRAL
County Leicestershire
Volume 6
Page 1854

Now the thread has been marked as answered.............!

Yet another PM!

Hi, that is correct it is the Grandfather they cannot find any where other than on my friends fathers b/cert (Robert L), it is he that changed the name for some reason to Hornby , They moved to Leicestershire in the late 40/50's which is where i live.
Apparently when he was alive he would not speak about why the name was changed for some reason, it was never spoken about as so many other things at that time, but oh dear have i found out so much doing my family trees!!.

Thanks for that, Chris.

Don't know why they don't offer the same search function as on 1901 and others. :-S

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Station Road Ryhill Wakefield, Ryhill, Yorkshire, England
John William Dawson Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 24 1887 Yorkshire Dewsbury
Emma Dawson Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Yorkshire Wakefield
Winifred Dawson Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Yorkshire Ryhill
Robert Dawson Father Widower Male Hairdresser 45 1866 Yorkshire Knottingley
Thomas Dawson Brother Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 22 1889 Yorkshire Dewsbury
Charles Richard Dawson Brother Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 20 1891 Yorkshire Dewsbury
Robert Dawson Brother - Male - 8 1903 Yorkshire Ryhill

(goodness knows Jacqueline, I prefer 'old' on everything)

Census, land & surveys

(I go to above first, then look to left see Census, click again, and put address in bottom box Optional Keywords, then hope something appears, otherwise over to Ancestry 1911 Summary Books!)

The Morgans were also there in 1901

Was that using the new search, Chris?

I always use the old one.............

(below looks to come up, just searching 341 City Road)

1911 (Find My Past)
George Morgan Head Married Male Japanness Ornamentes 49 1862 London Hoxton
Mary Elizabeth Morgan Wife Married Female - 42 1869 Lancs Blackburn
Henry Charles Percher Lodger Married Male Railway Clerk Town Receiving Office 23 1888 Lincs Boston
Beatrice Percher - Married Female - 22 1889 Lincs Boston
Bessie Abel Lodger Single Female Manageress Umbrella Maker 28 1883 Leyton Essex
Address 341 City Road Islington N
Parish Islington
County London
Census reference RG14 PN963 RG78 PN32 RD10 SD6 ED61 SN199

Chris :)

Can't search 1911 by address on FMP

In 1901, four families were living at the address now given.

There is a Gertrude White on same page in 1902; I think Arthur Dawson married her:


Name:Gertrude Dawson, m 8 years
Age in 1911:27
Estimated birth year:abt 1884
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Bridlington, Yorkshire, England

Arthur Dawson 38
Gertrude Dawson 27
Nellie Dawson 7
Alice Dawson 5
John Dawson 2
Frank Dawson 9/12

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Dawson Arthur Bridlington 9d 622 Scan available - click to view
Hutchinson Louisa Ellen Bridlington 9d 622

Until you find the marriage of the parents ( not that there seems to be any record, so perhaps it occurred either in Scotland or Ireland ), you won't know how old the father was.

Does the birth cert actually say 'formerly' Hutchinson?

What was the father's occupation?

And the address on the birth cert......................

Have you tried looking for his death?

The 1912 birth is the only instance of the surname.........

Thankyou Jacqueline, my friend has the birth certificate of the 1912 birth which is his father Robert L Hardy-Dawson stating that the mothers maiden name was Louisa Hutchinson.
They are trying to find the birth certificate of Robert Hardy-Dawson ( the father of the above Hardy-Dawson).
Some how, maybe from family they know he was born 241 City Road Islington , that is the only info they have
They and I have tried many sites with no success.
Thankyou for your help.

The generations are getting mixed up here, I reckon

It's unlikely - to say the least - that father and son married women with identical names

Advise your friend to buy a copy of the 1912 birth cert. It will name the father - also say whether Hutchinson was the mother's name when she married

The only other option is to wait for the 1921 census...........in about 7 years' time

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census



Household Information

Address 35 Hargrave Park Upper Holloway
Parish Islington
County London
Country England
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 4
Registration District Islington
Registration District Number 10
SubDistrict Number 1
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain

Person 1

First Name Alexander
Last Name Dawson
Birth Year 1849
Age 62
Where Born Femanagh Tollom Resident
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Gender Male
Condition Married
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation Park Keeper
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN779 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED4 SN65
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 779

Person 2

First Name Amy Florence
Last Name Dawson
Birth Year 1893
Age 18
Where Born London St Pancras
Relationship To Head of Household Daughter
Gender Female
Condition Single
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation Shorthand Typist
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN779 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED4 SN65
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 779

Person 3

First Name Grace Annie
Last Name Dawson
Birth Year 1891
Age 20
Where Born London St Pancras
Relationship To Head of Household Daughter
Gender Female
Condition Single
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation Telephone Operator
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN779 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED4 SN65
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 779

Person 4

First Name Louisa
Last Name Dawson
Birth Year 1855
Age 56
Where Born Waterford Tallow Resident
Relationship To Head of Household Wife
Gender Female
Condition Married
Year Of Marriage 1872
Years Of Marriage 39
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN779 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED4 SN65
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 779

Person 5

First Name Robert Henry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Last Name Dawson
Birth Year 1881
Age 30
Where Born London St Pancras
Relationship To Head of Household Son
Gender Male
Condition Single
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation Telephone Fitter
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN779 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED4 SN65
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 779

Person 6

First Name Bridget Emily
Last Name Perry
Birth Year 1824
Age 87
Where Born Waterford Tallow Resident
Relationship To Head of Household Mother In Law
Gender Female
Condition Widow
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN779 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED4 SN65
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 779


could this be a possible

But the birth record of the one born in 1912 has mmn as Hutchinson so how could he be married to a Hutchinson too !?!? Puzzled !

Have you found their marriage as none comes up on freebmd