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So go to freebmd and find the marriage

You really should try to do some of this yourself...............
ADDED

(IF the info is now accurate)

I found it easily, so here it is...................and it puts a whole different slant on things


Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
Williams Idris J Williams Anglesey E. 11b 1755
Williams Jane E Williams Anglesey E. 11b 1755

Not that there's a death in 1996 for Idris J Williams.........

There's this death - I wonder if that could be Idris? Death 1990 instead of 1996?

Idris John Williams
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Idris John Williams
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1906
Date of Registration: Apr 1990
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: De Meirionnydd
Inferred County: Gwynedd
Volume: 25
Page: 314

IF that's him - BIG IF - this could be his birth:

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Williams Idris John Pontypridd 11a 570

Possible birth of Jane - assuming she was born in Anglesey, as she was married there:

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
Williams Jane Ellen Holyhead 11b 464

eveyln was born east ham memorial hosp in july 1945 he'd dad was born in 3oth june 1906 in porth south wales

Please don't keep repeating yourself about Evelyn's birth...........that was posted on page one

Do some research!!!!!!!

Porth (Welsh: Y Porth) is a village and a community in the county borough of Rhondda Cynon Taf, within the historic county boundaries of Glamorgan, Wales, lying in the Rhondda Valley and is regarded as the gateway to the Rhondda Fawr and Rhondda Fach valleys because both valleys meet at Porth. The Welsh word "porth" means "gate" when translated into English. Porth is a predominantly English-speaking community.

Neighbouring villages include Trealaw, Trebanog, Trehafod and Ynyshir.

Rhondda is in the Pontypridd registration district

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15 Charles St Porth, Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 49 1862 Glamorgan Eglwysilan Transcription
Eleanor Williams Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Cardigan Aberystwgth Transcription
Jane Williams Mother In Law Widow Female - 72 1839 Cardigan Llanafan Transcription
Evan Thomas Williams Son Single Male Pupil Teacher 18 1893 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Arianwen Williams Daughter - Female School 14 1897 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Arthur Ewart Williams Son - Male - 9 1902 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Editha Jane Williams Daughter - Female - 7 1904 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Idris John Williams Son - Male - 4 1907 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Menrig Owen Williams Son - Male - 2 1909 Glamorgan Llanwonno

Looks like another Williams/Williams marriage!

There are too many of them to be sure!

For example, this one was also born in Llanwonno as was the above:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Clarence St Miskin Mountain Ash, Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
David S Williams Head Married Male Engine Fitter Above 36 1875 Llanwonno Glam

Margeret Williams Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Llanwonno Glam

Idris J Williams Son - Male - 5 1906 Llanwonno Glam

Margeret Davies Mother In Law Widow Female - 65 1846 Glam Merthyr Tydvil

Thomas Davies Brother In Law Single Male Engine Fitter Above 39 1872 Llanwonno Glam

John Rees Williams Brother Single Male Winding Engine Driver 32 1879 Llanwonno Glam

Taliesyn Williams Brother Single Male Electric Fitter Above 22 1889 Llanwonno Glam

You would need at least the marriage cert to find who the father was.

Dea x

I was going by the place of residence............

From what Susan says, and from Jacqueline's note re Porth, it looks as if the birth and death I posted for Idris are correct.

i know i should be doing it myself obviously i can't i was just trying to do a nice thing foralovely lady sorry I'm not that intelligent all i wassailing for was help thank you

The 1911 with father David, posted by Dea, could be the right one, as Idris named his son David.

We're doing our best to help, Susan, but as has been said before, there are so many Williamses in Wales, that without copies of the various birth/marriage/death certificates, it's impossible to know for sure which ones might be the right ones.

Unfortunately, your timescale doesn't allow you to order and receive any certs in time.

You didn't say that you didn't know what to do. If you had, I wouldn't have suggested you should do it yourself. Although taking on the idea of compiling a tree with no knowledge of how to go about finding the info is a touch ambitious.

BUT..........that hasn't stopped me - or anyone else - from looking for info for you.

Another BUT.........

You must understand how difficult it is to trace Williams in Wales without any documents.

We seem to have found your friend's father and his family, so you can add those to her tree, and hope that she agrees that the info is accurate

Her mother, on the other hand, is proving even more of a problem at present.

IF - and ONLY IF, the birth which has been found is the right girl................

Williams Jane 1902 — 1911 Census Llanbeulan, Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales
Williams Jane 1902 — 1911 Census Llantrisant, Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales
Williams Jennie 1902 — 1911 Census Holyhead Urban, Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales

Janes were commonly known as Jenny/ie in Wales in those days.

I'll post the full census transcriptions below

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Keffe St Holyhead, Holyhead Urban, Anglesey, Wales


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male Boiler Maker Steamship 48 1863 Anglesey Holyhead Transcription
Elizabeth Williams Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Anglesey Holyhead Transcription
Lizzie Williams Daughter Single Female Shop Assistant Drapery 20 1891 Anglesey Holyhead Transcription
Jennie Williams Daughter Single Female School Girl 9 1902 Anglesey Holyhead




1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Penychwaen Llantrisant Llanddeusant Valley, Llantrisant, Anglesey, Wales


Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year
Llanddeusant Mon John Williams Penteulu Priod Male Porthwr Gwarthegar Ffarm 31 1880 Transcription
Bodedern Mon Mary Williams Gwraig Priod Female - 36 1875 Transcription
Llanddeusant Mon Jane Williams Merch - Male - 9 1902 Transcription
Bodedern Mon Mary Williams Merch - Female - 6 1905



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Penrangae Gwalchinai Valley, Llanbeulan, Anglesey, Wales


Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year
Anglesey Llandrygarn Hugh Williams Head Married Male Cowman On Farm 31 1880 Transcription
Anglesey Bryngwran Ann Williams Wife Married Female - 31 1880 Transcription
Anglesey Bryngwran Catherine Williams Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Transcription
Anglesey Bryngwran Jane Williams Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Transcription
Anglesey Llanbeulan Hugh Williams Son - Male - 6 1905 Transcription
Anglesey Llanbeulan Annie Williams Daughter - Female - 3 1908

I hope you can now see why we've said how important it is to get copy certs.

You really didn't give yourself (or us) enough time

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Jane Ellen Bryngwran Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni WILLIAMS BRYNGWRAN/17/E173


North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Jane Ellen Beaumaris Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni JONES BEAUMARIS/41/E105
WILLIAMS Jane Emily Llangefni Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni ROBERTS

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Jennie Llangefni Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni ROBERTS GEFNI/19/E260

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Jennie Beaumaris Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni MUMMERY BEAUMARIS/41/E148

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)

Davies Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 1117
Lloyd Price Merthyr T. 11a 1117
Williams Eleanor Merthyr T. 11a 1117
Williams John Merthyr T. 11a 1117

just found out jenny mum and dad were called edith and thomas williams . jenny was the eldest of 5 girls x