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The address for the family in Mike's 1891 census is 'Garden Row', on George's marriage to Elizabeth Mary Ann Finlayson,his address is given as 5 Garden Row.

Just looking at the image for the baptism for Emma that GlitterBaby posted, as it's the nearest one to census 1881.

The address is only recorded as 1 Wild Court, and Thomas is a brass something or other, possibly finisher.

the 1891 census above has to be them..only problem is George Hutson being Edward G Hudson. with both forename and surname wrong and no Polly?But location is spot on and occupation of Thomas. Found a marriage of Harry A Hutson and Gladys Edwards in 1952 Holborn and a Death for Harry in 1956, Shoreditch, right age.

Polly is often a diminutive, tho I've not heard of it being used for Emma before.

It says Hudson on the image for the 1891, but don't forget the census books had been written up from the original census forms, so could have been mistranscribed at that stage.
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Peolpe often swapped their forenames around, so Edward's G' could be George, though he did seem to have been registered as plain George Hutson from the record posted earlier.

it's the 1881 census that's bugging me - where are they? Probably mistranscribed again.... :-S

Just a thought - I know the military record says Polly Hutson for NOK, and elsewhere say NOK is sister, at the same address as given for Polly previously, ie the address where George Hutson and family were living in both 1901 and 1911, so should it actually have been sister in law?

Just that George's wife Elizabeth has Mary Ann amongst her forenames, and Polly was often used as a diminutive for Mary or Mary Ann. Indeed, when I tried looking for a Polly Hutson on FMP, it offered me a list of Marys after the Pollys.

Also, Harry was living with George and his missus in 1901 and in 1911, so apart from that brief workhouse admission, which might well have been to something like the workhouse infirmary, it looks like he might have been closer to George and Elizabeth Mary Ann, having been with them both from the age of 15 and possibly earlier, than to Emma.

Back to the Polly issue again.

Saw this birth in St Giles area. Obviously she wasn't with widowed Thomas, harry, and Edward G in the 1881, but is there any chance she was another sister for Harry and George?

Births Jun 1880 HUTSON Mary Ann E St. Giles 1b 654

EDIT: On reflection, birth probably comes too soon after Emma's?

There is also this birth in St Giles

Births Sep 1875 HUTSON Harriet Mary St.Giles 1b 572

Again, not with Thomas etc in 1891. However, if she were named Harriet after her mother, they might have used her second name to avoid confusion, and then Polly as a diminutive of Mary.

She might also belong to compltely different Hutson parents.

Grasping at straws here, really wish we could find the 1881 census for the famliy!

Thanks Kucinta for pointing out the sister in law theory, is makes sense. Thomas and Harriet's first two children were Thomas Alfred born 1873 and died 1884 and Harriet Mary born 1875 and died 1877. Also found a death for Harriet Hutson ( Thomas's wife) in 1889 aged 39. Looks like Polly was sister Emma or Sister in law Elizabeth Mary Ann !! Found a marriage for Harry A Hutson to Gladys Edwards in 1952 Holborn, aged 66. no sign of any earlier marriage or kids?

Well, if the railway records were him, with a birthdate of 20th Nov 1885, then he was still claiming to be single in 1939, though I suppose he could be living over the brush with someone.

This seems to be the corresponding record to fit that birthdate.

Births Dec 1885 Hutson Harry Wandsworth 1d 636

Harry was working for the railway at the time he attested for the military, so he may well have gone back when he was disembodied at the end of the war.

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The age is a little out, but this could also be the 'Harry A' you mention if his age was 66 in 1952. Did you get the information regarding age from the marriage cert?

Births Dec 1883 HUTSON Henry Albert St. Saviour 1d 62

If you merely deduced the age, there are other possibilities, though I haven't looked into them.

Births Dec 1891 Hutson Harry Austen Uxbridge 3a 33

Births Sep 1914 HUTSON Harry A Knight Cuckfield 2b 266

Births Sep 1926 Hutson Henry A Wise Woolwich 1d 1719

Is this the death for Harriet you mentioned, as Hudson on Freebmd?

Deaths Jun 1889 Hudson Harriet Elizabeth 39 Holborn 1b 416?

Couldn't see a Hutson.

I got the ages from the death entry for Harriet Hudson Jun 1889. Must be the right one it all fits...

Rail record said working Farringdon Station in 1939

"Farringdon is a London Underground and connected mainline National Rail station in Clerkenwell, in the London Borough of Islington, just outside of the City of London"

1922:

Name: Harry Hutson
Year: 1922
County or Borough: Islington
Ward or Division/Constituency: Finsbury
Street address: 26 Baldwin Street<<<<<

Also there, George Hutson, George Thomas Hutson Elizabeth Hutson, so harry still living with his brother.

1929 Harry still at 26 Baldwin St with the following Hutsons, Elizabeth, George Thomas, Ellen and James.

Further ERs:

???

I think this might be Harry with a nephew:

Births Dec 1912 Hutson Herbert S Finlayson Holborn 1b 1129 <<<<<<<<<

Name: Harry Hutson
Year: 1936
County or Borough: Islington
Ward or Division/Constituency: Finsbury
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Living 158 Baldwin St are Harry Hutson, and Herbert Samuel Hutson.


Living with another nephew in 1945?

Births Jun 1916 Hutson Albert A Finlayson Holborn 1b 1068<<<<<<<

Living 43 Shepherdess Walk are Albert A Hutson, Harry Hutson. Also, an ELIZABETH M A CLARK, is this a remarried Elizabeth Mary Ann? Plus an Ivy M Simkins

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Deaths Sep 1923 HUTSON George 47 Holborn 1b 468

Can't find a marriage to Clark though.

1948, still at 43 Shepherdess Walk are

Elizabeth M A Clark
Albert A Hutson
Harry Hutson

plus an Albert G Whitney and a Doris M Whitney .

There was a 3 year old Doris in the 1911 census as a child of George and Elizabeth, no idea if any connection or not.


1952, still at 43 Shepheredess Walk

Elizabeth M A Clark
Albert Arthur Hutson
Harry Hutson
Albert G Whitney
Doris M Whitney.

????

DEATH?

Deaths Mar 1955 HUTSON Harry 69 Shoreditch 5d 609

Elizabeth M A Clark wasn't George's widow, i believe she was the daughter Elizabeth from census 1901 and 1911:

Births Mar 1898 Hutson Elizabeth Mary A Holborn 1b 763:

Name: Elizabeth M A Hutson
Spouse Surname: Clark
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Registration district: Holborn
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1101
Find Spouse: Charles H Clark Hutson Jul-Aug-Sep 1917 Holborn Middlesex

This looks like the death of her mother, George's widow:

Deaths Mar 1932 Hutson Elizabeth M A 55 London C. 1c 16

Thanks for that, it explains a lot, need to ask some more questions about the remarriage of Elizabeth and the other kids there were so many.

1963

Name: Albert Arthur Hutson
Year: 1963
County or Borough: Shoreditch and Finsbury
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hackney
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2956

Occupants of 43 Shepherdess Walk were:

Clark, Elizabeth M A
Gray, Joyce Elizabeth
Gray Terentc Percy
Hutson Albert Arthur
Hutson Josephine

???

Marriages Dec 1962
HUTSON Albert A Speed Shoreditch 5d 912
SPEED Josephine HUTSON Shoreditch 5d 912

EDIT:

Found the household at 43 Shepherdess walk in 1957, two years after the death I posted for Harry.

Occupants were:

Clark, Elizabeth M A
Hutson, Albert Arthur
Whitney, Alfred G
Whitney, Doris M

HI Nicola,

WE probably cross posted. If you look at what I've done, you'll see that George's wife Elizabeth Mary Ann died 1932 (or very late 1931) as a Hutson; it was her and George's daughter, also an Elizabeth Mary Ann, who married Charles H Clark in 1917, and we know George didn't die until 1923.

Post 1911 census Hutson-Finlayson children:

Births Dec 1912 Hutson Herbert S Finlayson Holborn 1b 1129

Births Mar 1915 Hutson John A Finlayson Holborn 1b 1198

Births Jun 1916 Hutson Albert A Finlayson Holborn 1b 1068

Births Mar 1919 Hutson David E Finlayson Holborn 1b 691

Births Dec 1921 Hutson Robert A Finlayson Holborn 1b 1019

Of Course the daughter Elizabeth!!! weird set up though... living with your uncle and brother and no husband or kids around? how did you find all this recent info? I am very grateful for it.

Ancestry has the electoral registers for London up until the mid 1960s. Can be a bit piecemeal and some of the address transcriptions are awful, you often eend to check the image itself to make any sense of so called addresses.

Weird setup as you say - but it did have the advantage that the groupings meant we could be reasonably sure of identities, as the ERS only indicate that someone was of voting age.

Found this possible marriage for the Whitneys, so she may not be Doris from the 1911 unless she'd married before, they might just be lodgers.

This one is Albert rather than Alfred though....

Marriages Jun 1946
Smith Doris M Whitney Shoreditch 1c 105
Whitney Albert G Smith Shoreditch 1c 105

Still wish someone would find us that 1881 census though....

Also, don't forget, children aged under 21 wouldn't show up on the ERs, in the period I was looking at.

There are some Clark births mmn Hutson on freebmd, including one in Holborn late 1917. However there is at least one other potential Clark -Hutson marriage (ist qtr 1912 Greenwich) which could account for some or all of them.

The war probably created a shortage of housing stock in London, so that might be a reason to share with family.

The marriage in full:

Name: Elizabeth Mary Ann Hutson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age: 21
Spouse: Charles Henry Clarke mma (?) DMWA
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Sep 1917
Parish: St Paul, Clerkenwell
Borough: Islington
Spouse Father: Robert Clark -porter
Register Type: Parish Register

Her father is given as George Hutson, carman