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Thanks to everyone for all your tremendous efforts, its been so frustrating trying to put this together especially bearing in mind the various items that belonged to Walter Junior that I have in my possession, especially the military items which I hoped would have helped.

A friend of mine has put together a summary of his military life and yet where he was born still has to be a educated guess.

But thanks again to everyone, time to put this to bed. (until next time!) cos sometimes you just can't help yourself but have another try!





;-) ;-)

1901 for that family jansmith


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Main Road, Great Kelk, Driffield, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter Briggs Head Married Male 55 1846 Innkeeper Norfolk, England
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Mary Briggs Wife Married Female 59 1842 - Malton, Yorkshire, England
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Walter Briggs Son Single Male 17 1884 Groom Bridlington, Yorkshire, England

and 1911? so possibly the wrong person.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Howes Farm Emmotland North Frodingham, North Frodingham, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Walter Briggs Head Single Male 27 1884 Yorks Bridlington Farmer
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John Carrick Servant Single Male 28 1883 Lincs Marsh Chapel Waggoner On Farm
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Elizabeth Haggitt Servant Single Female 52 1859 Yorks Kilham Housekeeper

??? 1891 not sure if this has been posted

Walter Briggs Head Married Male 46 1845 Inn Keeper Hethersett, Norfolk, England


Mary Briggs Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Old Malton, Yorkshire, England


Frances Briggs Daughter Single Female 13 1878 - Driffield, Yorkshire, England


Walter Briggs Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Bridlington, Yorkshire, England

Walter Briggs
Relationship Son
Gender Male
Age 7
Birth year 1884
Occupation Scholar
Birth town Bridlington
Birth town as transcribed BRIDLINGTON
Birth county Yorkshire
Birth county as transcribed YORKSHIRE
Birth placeEngland
House name Chestnut Horse Inn
Street Fields Row
Town Great Kelk
Parish Great Kelk
Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Registration district Driffield
Archive reference RG12
Piece numbe r3953
Folio 57
Page 7

(if below is relating anywhere!)

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
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BRIGGS Laura Emma Southampton 2c 10


30 June 1880 - Hampshire Advertiser - Southampton, Hampshire, England

Births
On the 23rd inst., at Southampton, the wife of Mr. Walter Edward Briggs, of a daughter.

Chris :)


Netherbury Arms, 27 St Mary Street, Southampton, Hampshire

http://pubshistory.com/Hampshire/Southampton/NetherburyArms.shtml


Briggs Walter Ed Avd. Netherbury Arms p . h .

http://www.mocavo.co.uk/Kellys-Directory-of-Hampshire-Wiltshire-Dorsetshire-and-the-Isle-of-Wight/602213/468



Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Briggs Laura Emma Southampton 2c 27
BUTLER Joseph Ambrose Southampton 2c 27
RICKMAN Maggie Louisa Southampton 2c 27
Sainsbury James Southampton 2c 27

(with James Sainsbury 1911, Devonport, Devon)


Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
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Briggs Elizabeth E 67 Southampton 2c 29


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(on above, 40, Middle Street, Southampton. Probate to Walter Ernest Briggs ship's steward)


1911 (Find My Past)
Elizabeth Emma Briggs Wife Married Female 51 1860 Southampton Hants
Elsie Hart Briggs Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Southampton Hants Dressmaker
Address 40 Middle St Southampton
Parish Southampton
Census reference RG14 PN5953 RG78 PN273A RD99 SD1 ED19 SN162
County Hampshire

Walter Ernest was in the Labour Corps according to his army record.

Andy

Walter jnr was a Staff Serg in RFA on marriage cert., which also clearly states his father as Walter Charles.

I have the death certificate also.

Andy, the 1912 death looks intersting.

Does it actually say Ernest if is it a dodgy looking C or E on the census?

Walter jnr's occupation was Staff Serg RFA. on marriage certificate where it clearly states Walter Charles as father, unless of course he got it wrong.

I also have death cert of jnr 1940.

Andy, the 1912 looks interesting.

Does it actually say Earnest or is it a dodgy looking C or E? :-S

O your ahead of me again!!

Same family as the others posted in 1901.

Name: Walter Briggs
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Son (Child)
Gender: Male
Father: Walter Briggs
Mother: Elizabeth Briggs
Birth Place: Southampton
Civil Parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1059
Folio: 75
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Briggs 54****now he is a Yacht Steward
Elizabeth Briggs 40
Walter Briggs 19****ship steward
Laura Briggs 20
Edith Briggs 16
Elese Briggs 11
James Campbell 31

This appears to be the people who married in Rotherham. Married 11 years, 2 children born, both still living.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Oakwoood Grove Rotherham, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Walter Charles Briggs Head Married Male 38 1873 Yorkshire Rotherham Elementary School Teacher
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Ada Mary Briggs Wife Married Female 36 1875 Yorkshire Rotherham -
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Winifred Mary Briggs Daughter - Female 7 1904 Yorkshire Rotherham School
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Kathleen May Briggs Daughter - Female 3 1908 Yorkshire Rotherham -
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Ethel Cutts Servant Single Female 15 1896 Yorkshire Rotherham Servant Domestic


I guess we just have to wait till tomorrow when the poster gets back. :-( :-(

alviegal it just seems funny we can't find a Walter Charles Briggs junior on any census.

This is the Rotherham marriage you were talking about and he married either Lucy or Ada.

Name: Walter Charles Briggs
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Rotherham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 1137
Records on Page:
Name
Ada Mary Gracie
Walter Charles Briggs
Thomas Cusworth
Lucy Holdsworth

EE is Elizabeth Emma Hart but we need to know what Walter jnr's occupation was. His father has also changed occupation.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Weymouth Terrace, Southampton, Southampton All Saints, Hampshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter Briggs Head Married Male 54 1847 Yacht Steward Brighton, England
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Elizabeth Briggs Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Southampton, Hampshire, England
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Walter Briggs Son Single Male 19 1882 Ship Steward Southampton, Hampshire, England
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Laura Briggs Daughter Single Female 20 1881 Music Teacher Southampton, Hampshire, England
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Edith Briggs Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Dressmaker Southampton, Hampshire, England
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Elise Briggs Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Scholar Southampton, Hampshire, England
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James Campbell Boarder Married Male 31 1870 Actor

E could sound like C to someone a bit hard of hearing!! It does all seem to fit. It is surpriseing what can be found with a little more info.

BUT if the marriage was in 1915 then why was his mother EE Brigs down as next of kin? E E could be Elizabeth...........

Karen, what was Walter jnr's occupation on his MC please?


His death

Name: Walter C Briggs
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jun 1940
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 985
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Deaths Dec 1912 (>99%)
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BRIGGS Walter E 65 Southampton 2c 3


Andy

Army record


Name:Walter Ernest Briggs
Gender:Male
Birth Date:abt 1882
Enlistment Age:34
Document Year:1916
Residence Place:40 Middle St, Avenue Southampton
Regimental Number:25047
Other Regimental Numbers:93640
Regiment Name:Duke Of ?? R??
Number of Images:7
Form Title:Short Service Attestation

Occ Marine Stewart
Mention mother E E Briggs as next of kin.

Andy

Can't be him as his service records have his next of kin as his mother all the way into 1919. Drat!!!


Merchant Seamen Transcription

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First name(s) WALTER ERNEST
Last name Briggs
Age -
Birth year 1881
Birth day 3
Birth month December
Birth place Southampton
Birth county Hampshire
Place SOUTHAMPTON
Discharge number 871272
Identity certificate number 381659
Card type CR10
Date range 1918-1921

Walter C on marriage

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Briggs Walter C Lacey Southampton 2c 43
Lacey Dorothy L Briggs Southampton 2c 43


Andy

Great minds Alviegal! Everything except middle name the same.

Andy