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Jeanne
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8 Apr 2015 05:26 |
Looking for the Keefe Family in the 1911 census no trace at all yet they are in the 1891 and 1901 census. Why is this? Living in St. Pancras, William Keefe the father born 1861. Plus why are there no other census available?
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Apr 2015 06:21 |
The 1911 Census is the last one to be released.
The next census was taken in 1921, but is subject to the 100 year rule ............... so no information can be released from it until 2021, and it will probably be 2022 before everything has been transcribed
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8 Apr 2015 06:27 |
I know you have this information, but the member helpers don't and having it helps us to find them in the 1911 census
I assume this is your William Keefe???
1901 Census
Name: William Keefe Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Holborn, London, England Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Camden County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: St Pancras Sub-registration district: Camden Town ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Piece: 148 Folio: 73 Page Number: 15 Household schedule number: 117
William Keefe 40 Widower, General Labourer William Keefe 20 b.ca 1881, Holborn, London, Fitters Mate Alfred Keefe 19 b.ca 1882, Holborn, Syphon Turner (Glass) Lizzie Keefe 11 b.ca 1890, St Pancras, London Clara Keefe 10 b.ca 1891, St Pancras Louisa Keefe 7 b.ca 1894, St Pancras Florence Keefe 5 b.ca 1896, St Pancras Ivey Keefe 3 b.ca 1898, St Pancras Louisa Roberts 23 Niece, Barmaid Ada Roberts 19 Niece, Paper Box Maker
Address:- 21 Kings Road
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Apr 2015 06:34 |
this looks as though it might possibly be William Keefe, father, on the 1911 Census
1911 Census
Name: William Keefe Age in 1911: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom [Kensington,London,England] Civil Parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Kensington Workhouse, Marloes Road, Kensington Marital Status: Single Occupation: GENERAL LABOURER Registration district: Kensington Registration District Number: 2 Sub-registration district: Kensington South ED, institution, or vessel: 52-56 Piece: 139 . . . . . William Keefe 51 . . . .
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SylviaInCanada
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8 Apr 2015 06:48 |
This looks like Alfred in 1911 ...... he married in 1907
1911 Census
Name: Alfred Keefe Age in 1911: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: St Pancras Civil Parish: St Pancras County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 22 Marquis Road, Camden Sq, Camden Rd N W Marital Status: Married Occupation: FITTER IRON FIRE ESCAPE STAIRS Registration district: St Pancras Registration District Number: 9 Sub-registration district: East St Pancras ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 719
Alfred Keefe 27 Elizabeth Keefe 23 b.ca 1888, London Ivy Keefe 3 b.ca 1908, St Pancras Beatrice Keefe 1 b.ca 1910, St Pancras
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Record Image View
Name: Alfred Eugene Keefe Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Age: 23 Spouse: Elizabeth Emily Ayres Spouse Age: 19 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Apr 1907 Parish: St Alphege, Greenwich Borough: Greenwich Father Name: William Keefe Spouse Father: William Thomas Ayres Register Type: Parish Register
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Alfred Occupation:- Fitter Address:- 21 Kings Road, St Pancras Father occupation:- Labourer
Elizabeth no occupation shown Address:- 10 Park Street Father occupation:- Labourer
Witnesses:- Albert Edward Ayres and E. M. Wyatt
for whatever reason, the family has split up, so you are going to have to look for each member individually
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Jacqueline
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8 Apr 2015 08:46 |
Use freebmd to look for info
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Jacqueline
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8 Apr 2015 08:51 |
If the informant was unsure of age, this MAY be Clara
First name(s) CLARA Last name KEEFE Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1890 Age 54 Death quarter 4 Death year 1944 District PADDINGTON County London Volume 1A Page 72
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Jacqueline
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8 Apr 2015 08:54 |
First name(s) Alfred Eugene Last name Keefe Service number 95691 Regiment Royal Engineers Unit / Battalion 4th Battalion Event year 1915 Age 31 Birth year 1884 Birth town St Pancras Birth county Middlesex Birth country England Residence town Islington Residence county London Series WO 363 Record set British Army Service Records 1914-1920
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Jacqueline
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8 Apr 2015 08:55 |
KEEFE ALFRED E 1884 1955 1955 Deaths & burials Barnet, Middlesex, England
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Jacqueline
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8 Apr 2015 08:57 |
KEEFE IVY LILIAN 1897 — 1897 Births & baptisms Pancras, London, England
You'll need to get birth info before you can go any further, as the second names make all the difference when searching
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 08:58 |
Welcome to the boards Jeanne
Louisa Ellen Keefe in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name:Louisa Ellen Keefe Registration Year:1893 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district:Pancras Inferred County:London Volume:1b Page:106
Louisa Ellen Keefe in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name:Louisa Ellen Keefe (Spinster) 21 Kings Road Estimated Birth Year:abt 1893 Age:21 Spouse: Henry Leonard Peck (Bachelor) Warehouseman Spouse Age:23 Record Type:Marriage Event Date:25 Dec 1914 Parish:All Saints, Camden Town Borough:Camden Father Name:William Keefe (Labourer) Spouse Father:Henry Peck (Warehouseman) Register Type:Parish Register Witnesses: Henry Peck and William Henry Peck
There doesn't appear to be any Peck/Keefe births registered.
Deaths Mar 1938 (>99%) PECK Louisa E 44 Pancras 1b 113
Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%) Peck Henry L 76 St. Pancras 5d 1015
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Louisa E Peck Birth: abt 1894 Death: Mar 1938 - Pancras, London, England
Births Mar 1891 PECK Henry Leonard Pancras 1b 81
Henry L Peck in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name:Henry L Peck Birth Date:abt 1891 Date of Registration:Dec 1967 Age at Death:76 Registration district:St Pancras Inferred County:London Volume:5d Page:1015
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GlitterBaby
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8 Apr 2015 09:27 |
I presume that Lizzie is Elizabeth Amelia ??
First name(s) ELIZABETH A Last name KEEFE Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1890 Age 33 Death quarter 1 Death year 1923 District UXBRIDGE County Middlesex Volume 3A Page 36 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
So have you done any research to prove their correct christian and middle names ?
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 09:44 |
This is Clara's birth registration...
Births Jun 1891 (>99%) Keefe Clara Pancras 1b 110
Clara Keefe in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name:Clara Keefe Age:3 Birth Date:19 Mar 1891 School:Camden Street School Borough:Camden Admission Date:8 Oct 1894 Parent:Wm ..........21 Kings Road Notes: Camden Street School (0247) opened 1874, renamed King Street School in 1919. Became Richard Cobden School in 1937
21 Kings Road is the same address given on Louisa Ellen's marriage record.
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 09:58 |
This is probably Florence.....
Births Sep 1895 (>99%) Keefe Florence Maud Pancras 1b 108
Sister Lizzie........
Births Mar 1890 (>99%) Keefe Elizabeth Amelia Pancras 1b 100
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 10:17 |
William Keefe in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name:William Keefe Age:7 Birth Date:15 Nov 1880 School:King Street School Borough:Camden Admission Date:8 Oct 1888 Parent:William........21 Kings Road Notes: Previously Camden Street School (0247) which opened 1874 (see separate list). Renamed King Street School in 1919. Became Richard Cobden School in 1937
Alfred Keefe in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name:Alfred Keefe Age: 7 Birth Date: 15 Oct 1883 School: King Street School Borough:Camden Admission Date: 5 Oct 1891 Parent: William (Coal Merchant) 21 Kings Street Notes: Previously Camden Street School (0247) which opened 1874 (see separate list). Renamed King Street School in 1919. Became Richard Cobden School in 1937
Florence Keefe in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name: Florence Keefe Age: 4 Birth Date: 26 Aug 1895 School: Camden Street School Borough: Camden Admission Date: 2 Jul 1900 Parent: William.....21 Kings Road Notes: Camden Street School (0247) opened 1874, renamed King Street School in 1919. Became Richard Cobden School in 1937 Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV02/CAM/AD/008
I have almost turned blue in the face trying to find members of this family on the 1911 census.
Goodness knows where they are!
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 11:02 |
Ivy Keefe in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name:Ivy Keefe Spouse Name: Herbert R Canham Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1926 Registration district:Pancras Inferred County:Middlesex Volume Number:1b Page Number:249
Ivy Lillian Canham in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name:Ivy Lillian Canham Birth Date:13 Oct 1897 Date of Registration:Mar 1971 Age at Death:73 Registration district:Elstree Inferred County:Hertfordshire Volume:4b Page:86
The London, England, Electoral Registers has Ivy Lilian Canham and husband Herbert Robert........Residing at 35 Gilda Avenue, Enfield 1936--1939
Herbert Robert Canham in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name:Herbert Robert Canham Registration Year:1897 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district:Edmonton Inferred County:Middlesex Volume:3a Page:311
Herbert Rcbert Canham in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name:Herbert Rcbert Canham Birth Date:30 Aug 1897 Date of Registration:Sep 1983 Age at Death:86 Registration district:Hitchin Inferred County:Hertfordshire Volume:10 Page:0496
Herbert Robert Canham in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name:Herbert Robert Canham Gender:Male Birth Date:abt 1897 Enlistment Age:18 Document Year:1915 Residence Place:143 Scotland Green Road, Ponders End Mx Regimental Number:286997 Regiment Name:Army Service Corps (Mechanical Transport) Form Title:Short Service Attestation Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Herbert Robert Canham Self (Head) William Rose Father On the image.....William is his father......Rose is his mother.
Herbert R Canham in the 1911 England Census Name:Herbert R Canham Age in 1911:13 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1898 Relation to Head:Son (Child) Gender:Male
Birth Place: Highgate, Middlesex, England Civil Parish:Enfield County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Street address:29 Northampton Rd, Ponders End Occupation:School Registration district:Edmonton Registration District Number:132 Sub-registration district:Enfield
Household Members:
William Canham 39 (Platelayer G E R) Rose H Canham 40 (Married 15 years....5 children born and living) William C Canham 15 Herbert R Canham 13 Ernest E Canham 11 Rose K Canham 9 Stanley W A Canham 6
Herbert R Canham in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name:Herbert R Canham Year:1949 County or Borough:Enfield Ward or Division/Constituency:Enfield Street address:35 King Edwards Road.....35 Gilder Avenue on the image. Reference Number:MR/PER/C/0798
With wife Ivy L and sons Norman D and Roy D Canham.
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 11:23 |
I wonder if someone with a FMP sub could look up who was living at 21 Kings Road in 1911?
As Jeanne is a new poster.......I will send her a PM to let her know she has received replies.
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PricklyHolly
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8 Apr 2015 17:21 |
Alfred Eugene's first wife died in 1939........
Name:Elizabeth E Keefe Birth Date:abt 1888 Date of Registration:Mar 1939 Age at Death:51 Registration district:Barnet Inferred County:Middlesex Volume:3a Page:767
Alfred Eugene Keefe in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name:Alfred Eugene Keefe Year:1937 County or Borough:Islington Ward or Division/Constituency:Finsbury Street address: 11 Medcalf Place
With wife Elizabeth Emily and son Alfred Edward.
Births Dec 1915 (>99%) KEEFE Alfred E Ayres Holborn 1b 949
Alfred remarried in 1944...
Alfred E Keefe in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name:Alfred E Keefe Spouse Name: Elsie Angell Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1944 Registration district:Edmonton Inferred County:Middlesex Volume Number:3a Page Number:2233
Alfred Eugene Keefe in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name:Alfred Eugene Keefe Year:1954 County or Borough:Enfield Ward or Division/Constituency:Potters Bar Street address:10 Dellfields .........10 Deepdene on the image. Reference Number:MR/PER/C/0920
With wife Elsie.
Alfred Eugene Keefe in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name:Alfred Eugene Keefe Probate Date:5 Aug 1955 Death Date:3 Jun 1955 Death Place:Middlesex, England Registry:London, England
Of 10 Deepdeen, Potters Bar, Middlesex.
At 17 Wellhouse-Lane, Barnet, Hertfordshire.
To Elsie Keefe widow.......Effects: £2318
Daughters Ivy and Beatrice who appear on the 1911 census.....
Births Dec 1907 (>99%) Keefe Ivy Lilian M Pancras 1b 91
Births Dec 1909 (>99%) Keefe Beatrice Rose Pancras 1b 91
2 more daughters born to the Keefe/Ayres marriage........
Births Jun 1913 (>99%) Keefe Violet H Ayres Pancras 1b 120
Births Jun 1921 (>99%) Keefe Marjorie J Ayres Holborn 1b 1055
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Jeanne
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12 Apr 2015 07:05 |
Thankyou to all of you for your wonderful help. I am amazed at how much you have found out. :-D That is definitely my family. Why do we have to wait a hundred years to see a census? I find the census more helpful than the other registries. I will go read all the info properly now.
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SylviaInCanada
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12 Apr 2015 07:42 |
because a law that was passed that promised to keep all the information provided in a census private and confidential for 100 years ...................
which usually means that most people on the census, certainly adults, would be dead
otherwise people would not be honest, and would refuse to answer the questions
It is still the same today.
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