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Prickles - I don't believe in coincidences! It has to be her surely...I spotted it a few days ago when I couldn't sleep and was pottering around on the Ipad in bed...but I don't know how to copy and paste so left it and then forgot about it!

Poor so and so spent much of her younger years in a poor house didn't she?

So now we await Ernest's birth certificate :-)

Jude

Morning Dizzi. :-)

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Deaths Jun 1862 (>99%)
Mintern William Lymington 2b 320

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William Mintern in the 1861 England Census
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year:1839
Relation:Ord (Military)
Gender:Male
Where born:Lymington, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Vessels
Town:North Atlantic
County/Island:Royal Navy
Country:England
Registration district:Royal Navy
Sub-registration district:Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel:Diadem

William Mintern 21

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Deaths Dec 1875 (>99%)
MINTERN William 35 Lymington 2b 376

MORNING BOGGLE EYES CENSUS LOOKERS
REMEMBER 1841 PEEPS WERE TOLD IF UNSURE
ROUND AGES UP TO SAY 37 TO 40 YR OLD SO IF
SEARCHING LOOK DOWN A FEW YEARS,
AND ACCENT TRY MINTON IN ACCENTS YOUL
BE SUPRISED XXX

Hi Jude, I spotted that census too.

I have just looked through all the pages.........on page 10 there is a William Mintner age 10 born Boldre. (Possibly reads Mintren on the image)

A bit too much of a coincidence wouldn't you say?

So perhaps Elizabeth left Mary and William in the workhouse. :-(

I guess you haven't found her in 1851 yet... I did wonder about this one...

Name: Mary Minpen
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Boldre, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Lymington
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 1666
Folio: 49
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Thomson 36
Mary Thomson 34
Emily Thomson 8
William Thomson 6
Ann Thomson 5
James Goerge 25
Ammelia Earley 24
James Killier 35
Mary Killier 35
Mary Roles 77
Jane Day 57
Jane Wheller 76
Harriet Durrance 62
Mary Springer 78
Ralph Rogers 62
Joseph Pardey 69
Benjamin Coffin 74
George Green 60
William Woodford 73
Richard Plowman 56
William Murrant 75
John Broomfield 52
Thomas Burden 39
Edward Phillips 80
George Cooper 21
John Skeats 71
Sarah Foster 50
Jane McClond 69
Ann Colbnan 51
Jane Parker 27
Jane Dale 81
Sarah Harvey 14
Elizabeth Marshman 80
Mary Marshman 55
Ann Revis 52
Mary Satter 56
Sophia Drove 11
James Bishop 75
Richard Ayres 51
Mary Burden 35
Charles Warne 53
Henry Etheridge 17
Stephen Chase 49
Mary Penny 39
Elizabeth Downer 18
Ellen Revis 17
Susan Bluke 60
Caroline Salter 18
Lucey Sprenger 22
William Sprenger 2
Charlotte Whitlock 21
Emma Whitlock 9 Mo
Emma Dowden 22
Esther Dowden 3
Mary Ward 35
Elizabeth Warne 40
Ellen Vincent 18
Harriet Rickman 29
Alfred Rickman 3
Emma Hescock 22
Charlotte Salter 31
Alfred Salter 9 Mo
Charles Bursey 35
James Collis 48
George Rowe 23
George Noyce 34
John Symes 29
William Croucher 66
James Jenks 61
Samuel Ingram 81
James Gates 69
James Bevis 67
John Sibley 80
James Barnes 66
Michael Bailey 64
Stephen Mansbridge 53
William Drover 58
Ellen Ware 11
Ann Day 12
Jane Salter 11
Mary Minpen 11
Ellen Etheridge 15
Martha Warne 8
Mary Ward 8
Elizabeth Drover 10
Bethia Elford 16
Caroline Blandford 5
Emma Blandford 8
Emma Ward 11
Mary Warne 6
Susen Bevis 8
Ann Penny 7
Mary Cooper 7
Clare Chiddle 9
Elizabeth Harding 14
Eliza Harding 5
Elizabeth Perkins 8
Emma Mott 6
Lousia Poole 15
Lousia Parker 5

Jude

Thank you Dea. x

I didn't spot anything of interest.

Sorry - had to go and pick up the grandchildren from school so couldn't look any further. - It may be a red herring but worth looking at I think just in case.

They are here till around 6.15 so will be back later.

Dea x

This is like.........The Never Ending Story. :-D

I spotted that baptism for George William Mintern Gritty........but didn't notice the date.

Well spotted Dea.

Just off to take a look.............

Ooh Dea- Fab spot

Dizzi's transcription has shown up a 15 year old Eliza Kimmish in there at the same time though - could she be related to Elizabeth ??? - That appears to have been her maiden name?

Dea x

PH- I suspect the baptism in 1840 for Mary Anne is correct. There is no original to view if it really gives the year of birth as 1840.

I did see this (FMP)- which is related as it's the same date as Mary Anne's, but also says born in 1840:

Hampshire baptisms Transcription
First name(s) GEORGE WILLIAM
Last name MINTERN
Birth year 1840
Baptism year 1840
Baptism day 14
Baptism month Oct
Parish LYMINGTON
Son or daughter Son
First parent's first name(s) Elizabeth
Second parent first name(s) -
County Hampshire
Country England
Notes illegitimate
Record set Hampshire baptisms

Yes got that Dizzi.

This is how they appear on Ancestry...

Elizabeth Minkon 30
John Minton 12
Maria Minton 6
Mary Ann Winton 4
Elizabeth Winton 2
William Winton 1

SO CONFUSED HAVE YOU ALLREADY GOT 1841 MARY ANN MINTON,THINK THIS MAYBE HER

Family member first name JANE, JAMES, CAROLINE, CHARLES, GEORGE, SARAH, WILLIAM, EDWARD, MARY, FRANCES, RICHARD, ELIZA, HARRIOT, EMMILY, ELIZABETH, JOSEPH
Family member last name JENKINS, WOODFORD, MILLER, JORDAN, ROWE, KIMMISH, WILSON, PADDOCK, GRANT, MARSHMAN, GALE, DHIEL
First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Mintern
Gender Female
Age 4
Birth year 1837
Birth county Hampshire
Birth county as transcribed HAMPSHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Street Lymington Union
Parish or township Lymington
City or borough Lymington
Town -
County Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Lymington
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 393
Book number 7
Folio number 4
Page number 4
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

I was confused because on the 1841 census, Elizabeth has 5 children.

I did notice though that there was a 6 years age gap between John and Maria.

There is a baptism for Maria.......1835

So one can assume that the younger children were not the children of Thomas.

I think I've got that right!

(Mintern on the image)

Elizabeth Minkon 30
John Minton 12
Maria Minton 6
Mary Ann Winton 4
Elizabeth Winton 2
William Winton 1

Gritty found this possible baptism for Mary Ann........

irst name(s) MARY ANNE
Last name MINTERN
Birth year 1840
Baptism year 1840
Baptism day 14
Baptism month Oct
Parish LYMINGTON
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Elizabeth
Second parent first name(s) -
County Hampshire
Country England
Notes illegitimate

That is absolutely brilliant Dea.

Especially........."Gaol report: Not known but discovered since his arrival at Leviathan to have been transpd before 1836"

"Stated this offence: Horse Stealing, at Chippenham, transported before for potatoes in 1826, sentd 7 Years, served 4 Years"

As I posted earlier.......

Prison ship (Hulk) Registers Transcription
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Mintern
Birth year1802
Age 24
Conviction date 03 Jul 1826
Incarceration year1826
Offence Stealing Potatoes
Sentence 7 years
Where convicted Winchester
County Hampshire
Country England
Hulk Captivity
How and when disposed of: Pardoned October 27 1830 ************
Reference HO9/3
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain

Any help?


Thomas MINTERN
MUGSHEET ID: Ai49836
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POLICE ID: 1473M
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VOYAGE: Henry Porcher, 1836
Before
1836
BACKGROUND - Before 1836
Gaol report: Not known but discovered since his arrival at Leviathan to have been transpd before
1836
TRIED - 5 March 1836
Transported for: Horse Stealing
Stated this offence:
Horse Stealing, at Chippenham, transported before for potatoes in 1826, sentd 7 Years, served 4 Years..served 4 Years 7 4 Months at Plymouth

Statement (other): Married 2 Children, Wife Elizabeth at native place, Baldwick,
Sentence: Life
Hulk report: Good Married one child
Trial court: Wilts Asss (Assizes, Wiltshire, England)
10 other convicts found tried at Assizes (Wiltshire, England) on 5 March 1836:
DEPARTED - 4 August 1836
Departed from Portsmouth, England on the ship Henry Porcher
Voyage: Henry Porcher, 1836
Shipmaster: Jn. Hart
Ship surgeon: Jn. Smith
Surgeon's journal: Good
ARRIVED - 15 November 1836
Voyage: Henry Porcher, 1836
Shipmaster: Jn. Hart
Ship surgeon: Jn. Smith
263 other convicts found on this voyage:
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From this site:
http://www.founders-storylines.com/mugsheets/convicts/profile/ai49836/thomas_mintern

Dea x

DID HE DIE OUT THERE OR AFTER SERVING HIS TIME HE COULD GET A RETURN HOME TICKET,

I have just been looking at that Newspaper article.

I went up and down the columns at least three times and couldn't find the article about Thomas Mintern.

So yes..........I think my eyes are bleeding!! :-S :-D

Henry Porcher Voyages to Australia
Sailed on 1st August, 1836
Arrived 15th November, 1836 at Van Diemen's Land



http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/henry-porcher/1836

PH- aren't your eyeballs bleeding yet?!

The Thomas above convicted at Wiltshire Assizes 1836 got transportation for life for stealing a mare and a gelding at Langley Burrell. He was caught in 1885 and committed to Fisherton Gaol before being sentenced. There's a few small newspaper articles- but no other information given.

???

Convict Records

Thomas Mintern

Thomas Mintern, one of 260 convicts transported on the Henry Porcher, 01 August 1836
Name, Aliases & Gender
Name: Thomas Mintern
Aliases: none

Median life span was 59 years*

Conviction & Transportation

Crime: -
Convicted at: Wilts. Assizes
Sentence term: Life
Ship: Henry Porcher
Departure date: 1st August, 1836
Arrival date: 15th November, 1836
Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest Travelled with 261 other convicts