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in the early 70's while metal detecting in the River Thames(yes the tide WAS out!!)

I came across a memorial brooch sadly much deteriorated on the steel parts

(Pins and latch)
the back was inscribed Frances Baly ob. 30 june 1841
aged 56 years.( buried 7th july)

I often pondered on the possibility of returning it to any family, in the present day.
I was never able to find a record of this lady....in the early days of FreeBMD, family search, 1837 -on line, as it was. and others, and my lapse of researching for the last ten or so years

until today.

found her on the 1841 census probably about 3 weeks before she died.
Husband William,(strange how that name keeps cropping up) but I digress...aged 60 he born 1781, and she 1786 .
with a daughter Elizabeth age 20
and two others who may not have been family.

William Baly and Frances Goodwin married on 31 jan 1810.
There is a wills and probate mention in 1847
and a death of an Elizabeth in 1848,
however there is a Elizabeth marriage to Saul Davy, in 1825 but I haven't yet been able to verify if this is a sibling of William......
the address for the 1841 was Norfolk Street St Margarets parish, Lynn, norfolk

Her death.


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription
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First name(s) Frances
Last name Baly
Gender Female
Marital status Married
Occupation -
Event year 1841
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1841
Burial date 07 Jul 1841
Burial place St, Margaret, Kings, Lynn, Norfolk, England
Place Lynn
County Norfolk
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Baly
Country England

I do hope you can reunite the brooch with members of Frances' family. <3

Name: Frances Baly
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 07 Jul 1841
Burial Place: St, Margaret, Kings, Lynn, Norfolk, England
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: William Baly

Reference ID: Item 12 p 1 , Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07333-5 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1471536

Thanks Ann, Alviegal
I believe that she was Frances Goodwin,

I think I have some of that era info, its tying up any other Baly's I'm not sure about..
Family search used to be good to match up families in villages but I'm not up to speed on the latest version.....


how did it get into the thames? I wonder.....was it lost? discarded? thrown away

it isn't made of monkey metal!!

has black enamelled lettering and seed pearls.....

I think this may be a son.

Name: William Baly
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 May 1814
Baptism Place: St. Margaret Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Father: William Baly
Mother: Frances
FHL Film Number: 1278785
Reference ID: item 1
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bridge Street, St Margaretts, Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Baly Head Married Male 37 1814 Coal Porter Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Charlotte Baly Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Burnham, Norfolk, England
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William Baly Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Schollar Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Robert Baly Son - Male 0 1851 Schollar Lynn, Norfolk, England

William's will states that he had a son, William and daughters Frances and Elizabeth. He was a grocer and wine merchant.

Son William was a Medical Practioner.

There is a Frances who married William Shipp at All Souls, Langham Place in 1854. She is the elder daughter of William Baly Esq, of Spring Gardens, London and formerly of Kings Lynn.

I wonder if it might have been her medal or William's as he appears to have gone to London.

Name: William Baly
Record Type: Burial
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Death Date: abt 1847
Burial Date: 15 Oct 1847
Burial Place: All Souls, Kensal Green, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: All Souls, Kensal Green
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

In view of William's Will, as mentioned by alviegal, this will be the son William(and his sisters) in 1851, rather than the one posted by alviegal:

William Baly

in the 1851 England Census


Name: William Baly
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 165
Piece: 1487
Folio: 367
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
William Baly 36
Frances Baly 38 - sister
Elizabeth Baly 34 - sister
Elizabeth Liergang 26 - servant
Sarah Sanson 17 - servant
Charles Carter 17 - servant

Elizabeth Baly

in the 1861 England Census


Name: Elizabeth Baly
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: 1817
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynn Rejis, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Piece: 71
Folio: 106
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles West 44
Mary H West 39
Margaret T West 14
Elizabeth Baly 44
(and other visitors and servants)

I see that a William Baly became something of an exalted physician,

wonder if it could be linked......

: Royal College of Physicians - click here to see details of the physical location of collection
Full title : BALY, William (1814-1861) and Family


William Baly was born in King's Lynn, Norfolk, in 1814. He was educated at the local grammar school, and was apprenticed in 1828 to Mr (later Dr) Ingle, an esteemed general practitioner in the town of Emsworth. In 1831 he went to study at University College, London, and in 1832, at St Bartholomew's Hospital. In 1834, after passing the diplomas of the Royal College of Surgeons and the Society of Apothecaries, Baly went to Paris, Heidelberg, and Berlin to continue his studies. He graduated MD from Berlin in 1836.


Baly's life and career however were brought to a sudden, tragic, end by his death in a railway accident, just south west of London, on 28 January 1861.

Elizabeth Baly

in the 1871 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Baly
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Hampton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 865
Folio: 90
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Baly 54
Mary Josephine Powell 28 - cousin, born Paris
Catherine Wyett 26 - servant
Charlotte Joiner 20 - servant

Elizabeth Baly

in the 1881 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Baly
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hampton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Banqueting House
Occupation: Pensioner Ser
Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 841
Folio: 106
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Baly 65
Meni J. Fauvels 38 - cousin, born Paris
Ellen Hardy 18 - servant
Sarah A. Kemp 19 - servant

Ah, I think this is the correct 1851 for William.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Queen Ann Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Baley Head Married Male 36 1815 Berlin Jrc Of Play London Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Frances Baly Sister Unmarried Female 38 1813 - Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Elizabeth Baly Sister Married Female 34 1817 - Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Elizabeth Liesgang Servant Married Female 26 1825 Cook -
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Sarah Panson Servant Married Female 17 1834 Housemaid Mortlake, Surrey, England
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Charles Carter Servant Married Male 17 1834 Footman Marylebone, Middlesex, England


Ah, I see you got there first ArgyllGran.



I was reading his obituary that someone has added to his tree on ancestry whilst you were posting.

It starts like this

THE LATE WILLIAM BALY, M.D., F.R.S.



William Baly was born at Lynn, in Norfolk, in 1814. His father was in general business there, but occupied himself in literature, rather than in the pursuit of wealth: his mother was a lady of cultivated mind, with remarkable good sense and energy. He was educated in the Lynn Grammar School, and was apprenticed to Mr. Ingle (now Dr. Ingle of Emsworth), an active and esteemed general practitioner in that town. In 1831 he entered as a pupil of University College, and in 1832, at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. At the former he attended the lectures, and at the latter the practice, necessary for the usual diplomas of the College of Surgeons and the Apothecaries’ Hall. At both schools alike he distinguished himself and by earnest and successful work: but at the end of his pupilage, he attached himself to the one which he had selected for the practical studies for which he had the most affection and the most capacity.

Maybe Elizabeth's death?? Anyway, she didn't have children, which is what matters to Bobtanian:

Deaths Sep 1888 (>99%)
BALY Elizabeth 69 Fulham 1a 159

Frances didn't have children either:

Frances Shipp

in the 1861 England Census
Name: Frances Shipp
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: 1813
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Shipp
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Kings Lynn St Margaret
Town: Kings Lynn
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Kings Lynn
Sub-registration district: Kings Lynn North
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 1255
Folio: 104
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shipp 57
Frances Shipp 48
Ida Louisa Esek 19 - teacher
Alice A Fry 16 - boarder
Susan Shinkfield 21 - servant
Maria Shinkfield 15 - servant


Frances Shipp

in the 1871 England Census
Name: Frances Shipp
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Shipp
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Norwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: Mancroft
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 1816
Folio: 69
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shipp 67
Frances Shipp 58

(plus a lot of staff and pupils - Frances was a school mistress.)

So, assuming William junior didn't have children before his early death, there would seem to be no direct descendants to whom the brooch could be passed.

Maybe one of the cousins mentioned in the censuses might be worth following up, if you really want to, Bobtanian!.

ADDED:
Actually, I think it's just one cousin.
I think Mary Josephine Powell in 1871, born Paris, is the same person as Meni J Fauvels in 1881, born Paris. Both born 1843.

Her death:

Marie Josephine Fauvel

in the London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Marie Josephine Fauvel
Record Type: Burial
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Death Date: abt 1921
Burial Date: 1921
Burial Place: St Mary, Sunbury on Thames, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Sunbury on Thames
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Register

Frances Shipp

in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
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Name: Frances Shipp
Probate Date: 6 Mar 1902
Death Date: 30 Jan 1902
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Effects £1449 16s


What a shame, 3 children and no descendants to be found.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Osborne Villa, East Moulsey Aka East Molesey, Kingston, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frances Shepp Or Shipp Head Widow Female 68 1813 Annuitant King's Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Maria Duck Servant Single Female 46 1835 Domestic Servant Middlesex, England
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Jane E Craggs Servant Single Female 33 1848 Domestic Servant Bideford, Devon, England



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hampton Court Palace, Hampton, Kingston, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frances Shipp Head Widow Female 78 1813 Living On Means Norfolk, England
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Eliza Copeman Servant Single Female 57 1834 Cook Domestic West Walton, Norfolk, England
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Kate Monk Servant Single Female 19 1872 Housemaid Domestic Send, Surrey, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hampton Court, Hampton, Hampton (Middlesex), Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Shipp Head Widow Female 88 1813 Independent King's Lynn, Norfolk, England
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Marie J Fauvel Cousin Single Female 58 1843 Independent France
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Emma Donaghue Servant Single Female 56 1845 General (Domestic) Walthamstow, Essex, England
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Margaret Williams Servant Single Female 27 1874 Nurse (Domestic) Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

Marie Josephine Fauvel

in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Marie Josephine Fauvel
Probate Date: 7 Sep 1921
Death Date: 30 Apr 1921
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England


Marie Josephine Fauvel of Halliford House, Upper Halliford, Shepperton, Middlesex, died 30 April 1921. Administration (with Will limited) London, 7 September, to Clement Crawley Robinson, solicitor attorney of Sir Laurence Nunns Guillemard KCB. Effects £2482 2s 4d.

I wonder if Sir Laurence was some sort of relation - he was certainly an important person:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Guillemard

Sir Laurence Nunns Guillemard, KCB KCMG (1862–1951) was a British civil servant and diplomat who served as high commissioner in Malaysia when it was under the British Empire.
Biography

Guillemard spent his early career in the civil service, and was in May 1902 appointed Deputy-Chairman of the Board of Inland Revenue.[1]

He was appointed Governor of Straits Settlements and British High Commissioner in Malaya in 1920, and was one of the promoters of British policies favouring the Malay ethnic group. He was invested as a Knight of the Order of the Bath and a Knight of the Order of St Michael and St George in 1925.[2] He left Malaysia in 1927 and retired from the diplomatic service.