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Dea I went on to living relatives for Robert John Moore and Det ec tive has found a great deal , the conclusion is that all the family are extinct because no children from his children's marriages. However there is via Mary Ann Moore the daughter left behind, her granddaughter went out to California in 1947 and got married so there are living family back in the USA, how ironic. I am a cousin of her, living in England so desperate to find all I can for my relatives out there who know nothing about their ancestors
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Dea I went on to living relatives for Robert John Moore and Det ec tive has found a great deal , the conclusion is that all the family are extinct because no children from his children's marriages. However there is via Mary Ann Moore the daughter left behind, her granddaughter went out to California in 1947 and got married so there are living family back in the USA, how ironic. I am a cousin of her, living in England so desperate to find all I can for my relatives out there who know nothing about their ancestors
Josephine x. ( I pay on here under my husbands name John )

I don't think the workhouse records are for the Mary Ann Moore I want because I paid to look at the 1878 and it states Mary Ann Moore age 23 yrs with a Louise age 4, so its an older Mary Ann Moore. Looked up another one Mary Moore in workhouse and in 1891 was 61 yrs old so presume all the others listed are either one of these 2.

Completely at a standstill and just don 't know where to look for Mary Ann anymore. Where could she have been from 1871 until 1903. It states she was deaf and dumb but have not found one listed on any census of a Mary Ann Moore, and being deaf and dumb. I have a birth certificate for Mary Ann Moore b Manchester 1870 but that is no proof now that I have the right one. So frustrated

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I do believe Mary Ann Moore has been found with the help from 2 kind gents on the Yorkshire Indexers. In 1891 and 1901 she was in St John's deaf and dumbe institute Clifford, Wetherby Yks. States born 1872 Holywell Flintshire. Occupation Laundrymaid. This seems to tie up with Elizabeth Hawrcoft nee Murphey ( known as Lilly Murphey) who was in St John's deaf and dumb school Boston Spa also D &D in 1891 and was her friend stated on record when Polly(Mary Ann) Moore was admitted to the Manchester workhouse with her daughter Mary Teresa Moore in 1904. In the 1911 census Mary Ann Moore in the workhouse stated her occ former laundress and deaf and dumb dice 4yrs old. Mary Ann Moore b 1872 Holywell , parents John and Mary Jane Moore and in the 1881 census living innSt Helens, but her own mother had died in 1878. Another point of interest she had a sister Mary Teresa D Moore b 1874 , is this why she called her daughter Mary Teresa . After this 1881 census with her recorded on it there is no sighting of her family after that ,, so a few more sets of eyes would be appreciated to help find them. Presume at some time after 1901 is when Mary Ann Moore went to Manchester to meet up with her friend Elizabeth / Lilly and fell pregnant, obviously she had no family to fall back on ,fell on poor times and had no alternative put go in the workhouse.

An update for everyone so you know exactly , where I am at, at the moment. I have eliminated Mary Ann Moore as being connected to Hiram Moore, Hulme also Robert John Moore Manchester and now looking at her being the daughter of John and Mary Jane Moore from Llanasa Flintshire Wales. 1881 in St Helens with father and stepmother. She was in the St John's deaf and dumb school Clifford, Boston Spa Yks in the 1891 age 19 pupil and 1911 age 29 down as Laundry Maid.. The connection as to think it may be her is that Mrs Hawcroft her friend as stated on the 1904 Workhouse records was also being deaf and dumb, in 1891 she was also in Boston Spa down as "Lilly " Murphey training to be a tailoress, hence where they must have known each other from. Mary Ann ,mad a younger sister named Mary Teresa must be why she named her own daughter Mary Ann. Obviously it's difficult to prove this is the one I want but there are too many coincidences. At the present moment I am awaiting a phone call from St Johns Boston Spa to see if they have any more information about Mary Ann other than what's on the census. Another coincidence that Mary Teresa Moore , Mary Anns daughter was working in Church Street Boston Spa, in 1924, going there from Holly Mount convent school Tottington, Lancs. St John's is in Church Street Boston Spa. Could she have been sent there from Holly Mount to learn a trade, unsure if Mary Teresa was deaf and dumb but she was not a well girl ,had muscular rheumatism, I will keep you updated and with fingers crossed I may at last, found my Mary Ann Moore

To every one who has helped me in the past months I would like to say a big thank you. I received a phone call today from St John's Deaf and Dumb school in Boston Spa Yorkshire with proof that Mary Ann Moore who was a pupil at the school was attending there at the same time as Mrs Hawcroft ( nee Elizabeth Murphy also known as Lilly Murphy) who was stated as her friend on the Manchester Workhouse records in 1904. Mary Ann Moore and Lilly Murphy 's names were on the same page in the schools record books and it stated Lilly Murphy came from Manchester, hence more or less they became friends from being at the Deaf and dumb school together. Feel for sure now that I have found the Mary Ann Moore who I want. Have got there in the end. Mary Ann Moores father went to America to live while she was in St John's but have been unable to trace him and the family.

More information please. Where can I find if any of the siblings of Mary Ann Moore were in the Prescott Union Workhouse, after 1881 , because I found Mary Ann Moore was in there in 1885, the authorities from there applied for her to go to St Johns deaf &dumb school Boston Spa, by then her father John Moore was in America. Have been unable to find any of her siblings so wondered if they were inmates of the workhouse also