Catherine Sullivan / Jeremiah Kelly

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Member Since: August 2014 Posts: 6,166 Send Message	Jacqueline	Report	24 Feb 2015 09:19
	Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%) Kelly Catherine Poplar 1c 960 TURBEN Edmund Poplar 1c 960 TURBEN Edward Poplar 1c 960
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Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	24 Feb 2015 09:27
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	The 1910 Register of Electors for Poplar shows an Edward Turben living 48 Wells St Poplar
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	24 Feb 2015 10:10
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	1871...Census I don't have access to check Street address... Partrick Kelley England and Wales Census, 1871 Name: Partrick Kelley Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 36 Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Ireland Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Poplar Sub-District: Poplar Parish: Poplar County: London, Middlesex Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Partrick Kelley Self M 36 Ireland Mary Kelley Wife F 36 Poplar, Middlesex Catherine Kelley Daughter F 14 Poplar, Middlesex James Kelley Son M 12 Poplar, Middlesex Tomas Kelley Son M 9 Poplar, Middlesex Jeramiah Kelley Son M 7 Poplar, Middlesex John Kelley Son M 4 Poplar, Middlesex Margaret Kelley Daughter F 0 Poplar, Middlesex William Toomy Brother-in-law M 19 Poplar, Middlesex Ann Toomy Sister F 16 Poplar, Middlesex Confusing to say the least...Patrick married Mary Toomy 1875...??
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	24 Feb 2015 13:04
	1871 address is 3 Robin Hood Cottages.
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	24 Feb 2015 13:22
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Thank You Potty. Really don't know what to make of the info. I can understand Patrick and Mary maybe marrying 1875 if either or both were married before but it looks like that wasn't the case given the in-laws who are listed..
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	24 Feb 2015 13:26
	Not sure where Julie has got Mary's father as John if she doesn't have the marriage cert but I wonder if this is Mary in 1851 (the ages of John & William tie up with the censuses) 1851 Name:Mary Jwornos [Mary Tuomy] Age:13 Estimated birth year:abt 1838 Relation:Daughter Father's name:John Jwornos - b Ireland Mother's name:Margaret Jwornos - b Ireland Gender:Female Where born:Middlesex, England Civil Parish:Poplar John Jwornos 38 Margaret Jwornos 36 Mary Jwornos 13 Thomas Jwornos 10 Margaret Jwornos 7 Catherine Jwornos 5 John Jwornos 2 William Jwornos 1 Mo Jeremiah Sherdan 26 lodger Sarah Sherdan 28 Lodger
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	24 Feb 2015 13:40
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	I agree with you .. it was one I looked at.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	24 Feb 2015 14:11
	The same family in 1861 and living at the same address (16 Well Street) as Patrick and Mary Kelly: Name:John Tooney [John Toomey] Age:14 Estimated birth year:1847 Relation:Son Father's name:John Tooway - widower Gender:Male Where born:Poplar Civil Parish:Poplar John Tooway 55 Margrett Toony 18 Catherine Tooney 16 William Tooney 12 John Tooney 14 Ann Tooney 10 Surely there must be an earlier marriage for Patrick & Mary - very unusual for that time for parents to live in the same house as an unmarried daughter and partner!
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	24 Feb 2015 14:42
	I had assumed that Patrick Kelly and Mary Toomey were Catholics but there is an image of the 1875 parish record on Ancestry. Name:Patrick Kelly, batchelor, labourer, full age Spouse: Mary Toomey , spinster, full age Record Type:Marriage - after banns Event Date:29 Jan 1875 Parish:All Saints, Poplar - Anglican Church! Borough:Tower Hamlets Father Name:James Kelly - laboure Spouse Father:John Toomey - labourer Address just given as Poplar. Register Type: Parish Register
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	24 Feb 2015 15:05
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Potty It was not usual but not uncommon for Catholics in England to marry in an Anglican Church and may have depended on whether there was a RC Chapel/Church in the locality...Given that the area did have RC Churches eg SS Mary and Joseph its another puzzle to solve..
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	24 Feb 2015 15:11
	One of the witnesses to the marriage was Margaret Ryan ( I can't make out the surname for the other one - first name George). There is a possible Toomy/Ryan marriage: Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%) DOOLEY Mary Poplar 1c 1330 MAHON Owen Poplar 1c 1330 RYAN John Poplar 1c 1330 TOOMY Margaret Poplar 1c 1330
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	24 Feb 2015 15:28
	Possible for Margaret and John Ryan: Name:Margaret Ryan Age:26 Estimated birth year:abt 1845 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:John Ryan Gender:Female Where born:Poplar, Middlesex, England Civil Parish:Poplar All Saints 6 Union Street I can't find any Catholic Parish records online. I would think the children would have been baptised. Maybe, Julie, you need to contact the churches direct. Contact details: You can contact us on 020 7987 4523. Our email address is [email protected]

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