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Thank you Clive - I have been on that site before but not for several years so I will take another look.

I have had a quick look and found Lissadel St but not Heber St. which is a street off it. - There must be one with a larger scale where I can find it !!

Just waiting for grandchildren to arrive - they are here for the day so I will take a LONG look when they have gone home.

Thanks again,

Dea Xxx

Dea,

I wonder whether the old maps on here would show you Heber Street?
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/381207/400049/10/101393

I wasn't but father and his family did.

Can't remember Clive BUT I do remember the link to Lissadel St where the Gibbons were in 1891 - My Grandparents and my Aunty & Uncle lived there until around the 60's and we were just around the corner in Heber St.

It is very frustrating as all the old maps I have found of Pendleton & Salford seem to cut off just about in the Lissadel St area and I have yet to find one showing Heber St., although I remember where it was in relation so I can work it out !! :-(

Were you brought up in this area ? If so, around what time?

Dea x

what link does your family have with Gill Street?

That agrees with everything I found Clive so - yes, I would concur ;-) :-D

I also noted the name of Connell as the 'person who buried him' (This would be the priest or other church official who oversaw the burial ) - I think the name is probably just a co-incidence but have been trying to check out if there is any connection.

None so far.......

Dea x

On the burial info for Patrick Morgan it states,
"Buried by: Franciscus Connell"

What does it refer to by "buried by"? Is this a family representative or the priest or undertaker/grave digger?
The name Connell stuck out as this would be the name of his daughter in law's family.

Dea,

you are very resourceful and thank for the help.
Found from death certificate of Patrick Morgan. Elizabeth Gibbons is recorded as the informant - sister in law of Patrick. She was living at 23 Lissadel Street.
I looked for Elizabeth Gibbons on the 1891 census (4 years before Patrick's death) and she and her family were living at 23 Lissadel Street. - so the same family.
I then looked for the family on the 1881 census and found them.
I looked for a marriage record for her husband Henry Gibbons just before their first child was born. I found their BMD wedding record.

Marriages Dec 1871
Gibbons Henry Manchester 8d 632
JONES Elizabeth Manchester 8d 632

Which matched the Jones association with her sister Margaret.

1881 census
16, Priory View, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire
Henry Gibbons Head Married Male 32 1849 Blacksmiths Striker Salford,
Elizabeth Gibbons Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Stafford, Staffordshire
Thos Hy Gibbons Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Salford,
Ann Gibbons Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Salford,
Sarah E Gibbons Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Salford,
Mary E Gibbons Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Salford,


1891 census
Lissadel Street, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England
Henry Gibbons Head Married 42 1849 Blacksmiths Striker Pendleton,
Elizabeth Gibbons Wife Married 39 1852 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Thomas H Gibbons Son Single 18 1873 Wiredrawers Apprentice Pendleton,
Annie Gibbons Daughter Single 16 1875 Cloth Weaver Pendleton,
Sarah E Gibbons Daughter Single 13 1878 Gatherer Pendleton,
Mary E Gibbons Daughter Single 11 1880 Scholar Pendleton,
Maggie Gibbons Daughter Single 8 1883 Scholar Pendleton,
James Gibbons Son Single 6 1885 Scholar Pendleton,
Leah Gibbons Daughter Single 3 1888 Scholar Pendleton,
Ernest Gibbons Son Single 1 1890 - Pendleton,


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Borough Street, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England (Borough Street, where the Morgan Family appear later in the timeline, so MAYBE this is Margaret Jones who marries Patrick. Margaret also has a younger sister that matches - Elizabeth.
Thomas Jones Head Married Male 42 1819 Porter Wales
Margaret Jones Wife Married Female 38 1823 Cotton Weaver Barton, Warwickshire, England
>Margaret Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1846 Scholar Wales
>Elizabeth Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Staffordshire, England
Emma Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Staffordshire, England

Patrick's address at death is 130 Gill Street. This is the same address that Mary Morgan (formerly Connell) died on 16 Nov 1894.Died 26 years old. Wife of Thomas Morgan (colliery labourer) Cause of death pregnancy - accidental haemorrhage.
130 Gill Street links Patrick, Mary Connell (who I believe is the first wife of Thomas, son of Patrick)

Would you concur?

This would be his burial:

Death: 10 Jan 1895 All Souls and St John Vianney, Weaste, Lancashire, England
Patricius Morgan -
Burial: 15 Jan 1895
Age: 69 annos
Abode: Pendleton
Buried by: Franciscus Connell
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

I don't know if you would get any further info regarding a possible headstone or if he was buried with anyone else etc. from the church ?

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Dea x

Good morning Clive,

I was a bit worried about that death cert for Patrick as the age is WAY out !

There is often a couple of years difference on death certs if the informant is not quite sure but this one is 8 years older than he should be.

However, Elizabeth Gibbons' maiden name was Jones and if I have the correct one, she had a sister Margaret of the right age to the Margaret Jones who 'married' Patrick. Their Father was Thomas, a Gardener.

Was there an address for Elizabeth on the death cert?

Dea x

P.S. - The address of Gill St. - Is this just familiar to me of have we had someone else at Gill St. during this search? - Is there a number given ?

Dea x

That's interesting, maybe it has some old photos of the streets.
I have just received death cert for Patrick. 10 Jan 1895 69 years old when died. Informant was his sister-in-law Elizabeth Gibbons. He was living at Gill Street.

Hi Clive,

Nothing further to report just yet but while I was looking around for anything about Smith's Buildings and Rossall St I discovered that Smith's Buildings was at the top end of Rossall St.

I also discovered that Rossall Street was originally Franchise St but there was a murder in one of the houses and the street was renamed to deter goulish sightseers. I couldn't find anything in the newspapers regarding this but I traced through several burials and found that this must have happened between 1891 and 1893.

There is a book in existance about the area which mentions something about this and I found a copy available through Amazon which I have purchased - it should arrive by the weekend.

I don't know if there will be anything useful in it for either of us but I will certainly let you know if there is.

Dea x

thank you

I checked the nearby districts and found the odd numbers. - No. 15 is indeed there and uninhabited :-(

Dea x


EDIT - just refreshed and have now seen that you suggested that above Joonie - suggestions are always welcome, thank you :-D

Dea x

I have to run off Dea so can't do it, but did you check the district descriptions? the odd numbers may be in a different subdistrict or whatever they're called if the street was the dividing line

I'm probably trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs :-)

no offence intended !!! :-D

I can only see the even numbers enumerated on the 1901 for Rossall St Clive - Nos. 2 - 20 :-(

Dea x

I suppose it is unoccupied.....

Hi,

can anybody see census record for 15 Rossall Street Pendleton Salford Lancashire on 1901 census please? It doesn't seem to be there.

thanks Dea :-)

Message sent to the person with the tree on Ancestry but I don't hold out much hope as I see he has not logged into that site for over a year. :-(

He does not appear to be 'directly' related to your family so I doubt if he has anything more but I will let you know if I hear back from him.

Dea x