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First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name PINDER
Gender Male
Birth day 6
Birth month 7
Birth year 1919
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1974
District NEWPORT (MONMOUTHSHIRE)
County Monmouthshire
Volume 28
Page 0760
Country Wales

Joseph snr was a twin

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
Pinder Joseph Ernest Stockton 10a 80
Pinder Thomas Henry Stockton 10a 80

Nancy

Where did Evans come from as Jenny's surname?

The only marriage for a Thomas Pinder to Evans is in 1900

EDIT

Did Thomas and Jane actually marry?

hey, no probs........confirmation is always useful

I was just illustrating that point, which also explains why the OP has both names in her post

Sorry Jacqueline - I missed that 1911 above :-S

It does confirm that the 1878 birth you have found in Middlesborough is the correct one.

Dea x

The FMP version posted earlier shows Laura's name as Wells

This is interesting:

Name: Joseph Pinder
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stockton, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 50 High St Norton On Tees
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Tram Driver
Registration district: Stockton
Registration District Number: 544
Sub-registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Piece: 29582
Household Members:
Name Age
Ada Thompton 40
Laura Mells 32
Joseph Pinder 26
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Dea x

In 1911, Thomas was in the Workhouse

You know the answer, don't you.......lol!

Bricklaying was the family TRADE..........not a family business.

If you look at the 1901 census IMAGE, you will see that Thomas was a Worker (i.e. employed by someone)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Millbank Street, Stockton upon Tees, Stockton, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Pinder Head Married Male 37 1864 Bricklayer Stockton, Durham, England Transcription
Jenny Pinder Wife Married Female 37 1864 - - Transcription
Thomas H Pinder Son Single Male 16 1885 Apprentice Bricklayer Stockton, Durham, England Transcription
Joseph E Pinder Son Single Male 16 1885 Apprentice Bricklayer Stockton, Durham, England Transcription
Alice M Pinder Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Stockton, Durham, England Transcription

Its Ernest Chris.... His first son was called Ernest, second Benjamin...

I am trying to establish if Joseph Pinder 1919 father Joseph Ernest Pinder 1885 was the son of Thomas Pinder 1863 and Jane Evans 1863. In all the census records Jane (Jenny) is listed as being born Rose a Medra Denbighshire North Wales (there are various spellings for this) I see her on the 1911 census listed with Thomas aged 26.. I noticed the 2 boys were apprentice bricklayers in 1901; their father Thomas was a bricklayer and his father before him so I'm assuming it was a family business; yet on the 1911 both sons are now working on the trams and I see father Thomas aged 48 in an Institution of some sore , It doesn't say what kind.. :-S

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, East Park Road, Harrogate, Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Watson Head Married Male 46 1855 Head Master Technical School Fishlake, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Watson Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Ethel C Watson Daughter Single Female 21 1880 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Lilly Watson Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Laura Wells Servant Single Female 23 1878 General Servant (Domestic) Yorkshire, England Transcription

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rushford Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Christopher Wells Head Married Male 40 1851 Tin Plate Worker Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary E Wells Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
John G Wells Son - Male 15 1876 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Laura E Wells Daughter - Female 13 1878 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary E Wells Daughter - Female 11 1880 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Christopher Wells Son - Male 9 1882 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Emily A Wells Daughter - Female 6 1885 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Gertrude Wells Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Benjamin Wells Son - Male 1 1890 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

To find out if she married a Brown, look at freebmd

This seems likely to be Laura's death:

Name: Laura E Pinder
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Dec 1935
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 81
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We need to trace her back from here.

Dea x

Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
Wells Laura Ellen Middlesbro' 9d 555

Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Brown Laura E Pinder Stockton 10a 151
Pinder Joseph E Brown Stockton 10a 151

(any idea of his E name?)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Pinder Joseph Ernest Stockton 10a 80

I enquired at the Stockton registrars as to why the first 2 sons mothers name was (Wells) and Joseph was( Brown) they said they had a look and they were definitely all brothers?? and they suggested I purchase the birth cert which would explain in detail.. I will do this as a last resort but its my sister who is related to this branch through marriage, so not really wanting to go there unless I have to.. I did see Joseph Pinder born 1885 listed as aged 26 with a Laura Mells (and wondered if this was a mistranscription) and this may well be thee Laura Wells. Did she have the 2 boys out of wedlock with Joseph, did she marry a Brown before marrying Jospeh doesn't make sense.. :-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
50 High St Norton Stockton on Tees, Norton, Durham, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Ada Thompson Head Married Female 40 1871 Stockton Durham Private Means Transcription
Laura Wells Companion Single Female 32 1879 Mioddleton Yks - Transcription
Joseph Pindle Visitor Single Male 26 1885 Stockton Durham Tram Driver

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Pinder Ernest Wells Stockton 10a 119

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Pinder Benjamin Wells Stockton 10a 195