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Been having a think about Laura Ellen Wells who married a Brown.. It is possible she lied about being married due to her already being pregnant with Ernest Pinder ?? :-D

Ok guys...Just up... Can anyone tell me what the 10a followed by a number represents ?? I notice a lot of the Pinders start with 10a

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Yeah I know Jacqueline, dead annoying. The Scottish certificates are much more informative,, Why make it so difficult.. didn't get anywhere with the CWGC I thought it might have given me some more information... I cant even see an enlistment for John Brown at least it would of mentioned his next of kin... Anyways I was working nightshift last night and on again the night...Better get some sleep before I pass out guys... Thanks for all your input, you have all been stars...

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If you're getting only one cert, you should probably go for the 1917 one.. It would be the most informative, in that Laura's declared 'status' would be recorded, together with her father's name.

Don't forget that English marriage certs are not like Scottish ones - they only record the father's name and occupation. No info about mothers

CWGC is the site you're thinking of

Jacqueline. The chap in Canada who thinks he might be related to Ernest Pinder born 1911, son of Joseph and Laura Wells...

Thanks Dea. The time of death would fit in with Laura and Joseph getting married in 1917.. After all she did have his first two sons....Will see if I can find him on the CCWW thingy (forgot the name) <3

Which marriage cert are you sending for?

She lied in 1911................

the gap between the births could be explained by War service..................do you know if Joseph served?

There is this one with connections to both Yorkshire and Durham ???


Rank:
Private
Service No:
22915
Date of Death:
16/07/1916
Regiment/Service:
King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry *********

2nd Bn.
Grave Reference:
A. 27. 5.
Cemetery:
ST. SEVER CEMETERY, ROUE



Name: John Brown
Birth Place: Middlesbrough
Death Date: 16 Jul 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Poplar
Rank: Private
Regiment: King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 22915
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly 10409, Durham L.I ***************
Other Records: Search for 'John Brown' in other WWI collections
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No further info to help though :-(

Dea x

Yeah the death in 1974 Newport Wales is definitely Joseph born 1919.. My neice is married to Gareth Pinder, his father is Graham Pinder born 1958.. Joseph Pinder born 1919 was Grahams father. Graham was 16 when his father died and knows absolutely nothing about him other than he had 2 brothers Ernest Pinder born 1911 who married Marjorie Daniel and Benjamin Pinder 1913 who married a Dorren Winn. So you can imagine how everyone is totally thrown that the 2 first sons mothers name was listed as Wells.. I did think the only conclusion was that she was already married or had been married before, after all she was 32 years old. , but then the 1911 census had her maiden name as Wells and single to boot.. I have a contact who has Ernest Pinder and wife on his tree but he's just as confused as I am, so is sending off for a marriage cert to confirm parents.. Will be interesting to see what it actually says.. :-S

Name: Thom Pinder
Birth Date: 1863
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Jane Evans
Spouse's Birth Date: 1861
Spouse's Age: 23
Event Date: 14 Apr 1884
Event Place: Holy Trinity, Stockton-On-Tees, Durham, England
Father's Name: Joseph Pinder
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Evans
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01837-7 ,

Odd..........I didn't see it on freebmd...................I'll have a closer look

EDIT

NOW I see it....lol!


Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)

Evans Jane Stockton 10a 89
Pinder Thom Stockton 10a 89

Mmm!! I dunno what's going on... She's had 2 children after 1911 then married in 1917 and had Joseph in 1919... That's a good 6 years later... Gets so complicated.. I'm even trying to look for a John Thomas Brown in the deaths to see when he died but as mentioned earlier he could have been a was casualty. :-S

Yeah Jacqueline that a picture of our dog Brodie taken last winter...He's just adorable... Sleeping right now, exhausted fae his walk :-D

It would be very odd to include the surname of a cuckolded husband in the name of a child by another man...............but that doesn't mean it didn't happen

No 'B' on the index............................


Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Pinder Joseph Brown Stockton 10a 141

Or on the death I posted earlier, which I rather think is his

Is your avatar the dog you've been walking?

I adore spaniels...............

Would like to point out that Joseph born in 1919 had a middle name of "B" Brown perhaps ??
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Hi Guys, sorry just came in from walking the dog....There is a marriage listed Jacqueline for Thomas Pinder to Jane Evans in 1884 Stockton.. Thomas and Joseph were born in 1885.. So many replies and its always good to have a second pair of eyes..I have been at this for weeks going around in circles.. Will have a good look at your comments over a hot chocolate. Very cold here in Scotland.. <3

A possible for John Thomas Brown, born Middlesbrough, 1877, mother Elizabeth C, father David

Can last see him on the 1901 census but after that, nada

So she lied about her surname and marital status in 1911

And, as Joseph was born after the marriage, she probably put Brown as her maiden name by mistake

Presumably,they had to wait for John to die before marrying. I wonder if he was a War casualty

Name:Laura Ellen Wells

Registration Year:1902

Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep

Registration district:
Middlesbrough

Parishes for this Registration District:
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Inferred County:Yorkshire North Riding

Volume:9d

Page:883

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John Thomas Brown
Margaret Morrison
William Ward
Laura Ellen Wells