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So why wait until 1917 when she had 2 sons Ernest 1911 and Ben 1913. She was obviously still married during these births and husband didn't die until around 1916/17 like some of you have suggested.. ;-) ;-)

Thanks guys.. I finally purchased the marriage between Joseph Pinder and Laura Ellen Brown. They were married 9 May 1917, Joseph was 32 and Laura 37 a widow. Father was Christopher Wells a tinsmith... :-D

And a death to match as well although area somewhat changed!

Deaths Sep 1946 (>99%)
Gray Harriet E 86 Gosport 6b 193 Scan available - click to view

I like the marriage Dea...

Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
Gibson Harriet Elizabeth York 9d 15 Scan available - click to view

I missed that death - only one I found was a couple of years shy...

Jude

I suppose this one is a 'possible' ?

Marriages Jun 1881
BROWN Thomas Stockton 10a 136 Scan available - click to view
FORTH Hannah Stockton 10a 136 Scan available - click to view
GIBSON Harriet Stockton 10a 136 Scan available - click to view
Wild Thomas Stockton 10a 136

This one 'could' be the death? - there are other possibilities though.

Name: Thomas Brown
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Stockton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 49
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Dea x

The only Harriet Brown marriage to Mr Gray is the one I posted...and she is way too young to be John's mother (unless he got married when he was about 10 :-) or she gave birth to him when she was about 10 - sorry being facetious!

I can't find a marriage for Thomas Brown to a Harriett either....nor a death that fits Thomas

Jude

This one on 1901 also has links to Middlesborough and Durham AND he has a mother called Harriet?

1901: ?????
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, Bowron Street, Stockton upon Tees, Stockton, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Brown Head Married Male 53 1848 Retired Blacksmith Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
Harriet Brown Wife Married Female 43 1858 - York, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Brown Son Single Male 19 1882 Marine Engine Fitter Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
John Brown Son Single Male 17 1884 Iron Moulder Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Brown Son - Male 12 1889 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
George R Brown Son - Male 6 1895 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England


He is not with her on 1911 and she is widowed, though I can't find a marriage for her to a Mr. Gray !!

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Paradise Place Norton Stockton-On Tees, Norton, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Harriet Brown Head Widow Female 53 1858 Yorkshire York -
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George Robert Brown Son Single Male 16 1895 Yorkshire Middlesbro Nursery Gardener's Apprentice

Dea x

Probably not this one?

She's not old enough to have a child marrying in 1902??

Jude

How about this marriage

Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)
Brown Harriet I Newcastle T. 10b 213 Scan available - click to view
Gray John Newcastle T. 10b 213 Scan available - click to view

Which fits with this census

Name: Harriet Isabella Gray
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newcastle On Tyne
Civil Parish: Elswick
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 37 Isabella St Newcastle On Tyne
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: Elswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 30595
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gray 35
Harriet Isabella Gray 39
Florence Elizabeth Brown 4

Jude

New thread started

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1349527

Oh Heavens above.. I should slow down... Thanks :-0

It's HARRIET GRAY :-)

Okay doky thanks PatinCyprus.. will see if I can find a John Brown (son of Mary Grey)
:-D

It's on Ancestry, they have the effects of all soldiers died in WW1 - really it's what monies are owed I think in wages and a second payment which looks like compensation.

If it's the correct man he was separated from his wife and she'd produced children by someone else so he wouldn't want her to have the money so he'd name another relative.

I think the soldiers were able to name who it was left to. I have gone through all my WW1 deaths and found their effects. It collaborates my other info e.g. wife, parents, siblings. 1 named his mother not father, others named father. Married ones their wives and children named, 1 named his widowed sister who had children rather than parents.

Now Harriet Gray has to be linked with the correct John Brown.

Sorry PatinCyprus, I just realised you posted that reference about John Thomas Brown.. Was in too much of a rush... Where are you seeing this.. :-S :-S

Whereabouts did you se it ?

Ok Dea.. Will see if I can find it.. You would of thought it would of went to his wife...

Re Dea's post 25 Jan 2015 13.11

That soldier's effects went to Mrs Harriet Gray, it is difficult to read the relationship to John Brown but after awhile we think what looks like Mosoleleg is Mo - Mother Sole Leg - perhaps sole legatee.

Perhaps you could find that link for John Brown - difficult I know with that name. :-)

Thanks Jacqueline

10a is the GRO Volume number, representing the district in which the event was registered. The next number is the page within that volume

Yes she lied, probably quite often, but we can't really guess at her reasons.

The marriage cert will cost you £9.25 inclusive of postage and answer (we hope) most of the questions you are asking about her