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Here's one of the censuses I missed:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X46S-4KS
Harry Joyce Head M 34 New York
Quen Joyce Wife F 32 New Jersey
Harry E Joyce Son M 9 New Jersey
Evelyn Joyce Daughter F 4 New Jersey
Household ID: 470 , Line Number: 96
Affiliate Film Number: 1342 ,
GS Film number: 2341077 , Digital Folder Number: 004660895 , Image Number: 00238
[The image does say Quen - unlike the UK censuses, where most info was gotten from forms dropped off a few days before-hand, filled in by the h/h'er, and just checked over by the enumerator, the US census was done by face-to-face questioning - an approach only needed in the UK when the h/h'er had bother folling in the form.
Obviously, the actual enumeration takes longer in the US - I drew attn to the 1900 actual enumeration date, so that took 13 days so far.
What the US saves is the dropping off of census forms in a place that doesn't have a door-to-door postal service - out west, I've seen Enumertor's Districts of over 500 sq miles - fancy going round that twice in a month?]

Remember, 4 clicks, then save - or else you get low resolution files downloaded:
https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1342#page/n233/mode/1up
[addy = 535 Bergen St. The street is sideways in col 1, and the house # is in col 2]


Annie - yes, that's a fimiliar pattern. In my wife's family, bro & bro-in-law went first, then the sister & kids went out to join one hubby, accompanied by her hubby, then she joined sis & hubby, and 11y after it all began, parnts joined their 2 daurs & grand-kids. The bro meanwhile returned, and 2 other sisters, now marr, stayed in the UK. In another case, the whole family went out to PA for a few years, then returned - their US born son was really easy to spot on the English census, even when mistranscribed.

In my family, my dad's adult cousin came first, followed a year later by his parents and 2 younger bros.

When you think abt it, it makes sense to check things out first - that way, you can get a job and line up accomodation - alternatively, if things don't look good, you've only lost time and the cost of one return trip. Of course, there are some home situations where anything is an improvement, and that's where one sees the classic examples of "serial immigration", so as soon as the immigrant has enough money for a ticket, he brings someone over, and when they've enough money for another ticket, another family member comes over, etc, etc.

It's interesting that Sarah and David went to the US on different ships at different times. And so did the old folks by the look at it. David and Sarah had a child, William, born in Merthyr Tydfil in 1883 so maybe she had to wait until he was old enough to travel. I had no idea when I started on this that there would be so much information out there. I'm now spending time here when I haven't yet done the shopping! Maybe Hubby won't be hungry this weekend.

Annie

Oh Annie

You have made chuckle!

:-)

Ye gods! I was out all day yesterday so I've only just come back to this. Thank you so much, I'll read and digest it all now.

Annie

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8092534


Getting round to your original Q:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27T2-PX8 [with image link]
Name: David Sims
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1883
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Nationality: England
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Ship Name: City Of Berlin
Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 471 , GS Film Number: 001027041 , Digital Folder Number: 004680401 , Image Number: 00527
[Reel 471 covers 30 Sep 1883-12 Nov 1883]


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KR [with image link]
Name: Sarah A Sims
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1883
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Nationality: England
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Ship Name: City Of Montreal
Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 472 , GS Film Number: 001027042 , Digital Folder Number: 004680402 , Image Number: 01023

with Mary https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KT [with image link]
Bessy https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KY [with image link]
& Sarah A https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KB [with image link]
[Reel 472 covers 14 Nov 1883-31 Dec 1883]


1881
CIVIL PARISH: Merthyr Tydfil
COUNTY/ISLAND: Glamorgan
COUNTRY: Wales
STREET ADDRESS: 10 Long Row
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Merthyr Tydfil
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 11
PIECE: 5310 FOLIO: 53 PAGE NUMBER: 2

Richd. Evans 59 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Head M Labourer Underground
Elizth. Evans 50 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Wife M
Richd. Evans 22 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son
Margaret Williams 25 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter M
Rees Evans 20 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son Fireman At Iron Works
Nathl. Evans 17 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son Fireman At Iron Works
Jessie Evans 15 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter
Elizth.Jane Evans 11 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Scholar
Rachel Evans 7 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Scholar
George Williams 24 Cefn, Breconshire, Wales Son in Law M Labr Underground


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-4ZDW [with image link]
Name: Richard Evans
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1881
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 59
Nationality: England
Birth Year (Estimated): 1822
Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 443 , GS Film Number: 001027013 , Digital Folder Number: 004680523 , Image Number: 00571
[Reel 443 covers 11 Oct 1881-25 Oct 1881]
[Transcription doesn't say, but image 564 shows USM Arizona from Liverpool & Queenstown disembarking 25/10/1881]


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F599 [with image link]
Name: Elizabeth Evans
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1883
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 52
Nationality: Wales
Birth Year (Estimated): 1831
Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 465 , GS Film Number: 001027035 , Digital Folder Number: 004680395 , Image Number: 00158

With Nat https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F59S [with image link]
Eliz https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F593 [with image link]
and Rachael https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F59Q [with image link]
[Reel 465 covers 9 May 1883-25 May 1883]
[Transcription doesn't say, but image 138 shows RMS City of Chester from Liverpool & Queenstown disembarking 12/5/1883]

Same house as Maggie:
1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4DT-L25
John E Frame Head M 30 New Jersey
Rachel Frame Wife F 30 New Jersey
Margaret Frame Daughter F 6 New Jersey
Household ID: 108 , Line Number: 9
Affiliate Film Number: 1338 ,
GS Film number: 2341073 , Digital Folder Number: 004660891 , Image Number: 00281


Now just guessing Kate & Gwen - no sign of Wm

1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5H5-L4D
Hagobert Zeiser Head M 67 Germany
Josephine Zeiser Wife F 65 Germany
Joseph Zeiser Son M 35 New York
Otto Zeiser Son M 32 New York
Agness Zeiser Daughter F 29 New York
Rudolph Zeiser Son M 26 New York
Josephine Zeiser Daughter F 24 New York
Leo Zeiser Son M 23 New York
Pauline Zeiser Daughter F 21 New York
District: 57 , Sheet Number and Letter: 3B , Household ID: 67
GS Film number: 1375083 , Digital Folder Number: 004450000 , Image Number: 00324
[on image, Rudolph is single]

1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M455-SZ3
Rudolph Zeiser Head M 39 New Jersey
Kathrine Zeiser Wife F 31 New Jersey
Anna Zeiser Daughter F 8 New Jersey
Household ID: 18 , Line Number: 83
GS Film number: 1821032 , Digital Folder Number: 004313333 , Image Number: 00858

1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4N9-KW1
Rudolph Zeiser Head M 49 New Jersey
Catherine Zeiser Wife F 42 New Jersey
Anna Zeiser Daughter F 18 New Jersey
Household ID: 24 , Line Number: 74
Affiliate Film Number: 1387 ,
GS Film number: 2341122 , Digital Folder Number: 004660940 , Image Number: 00887


1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M45P-129
Harry Joyce Head M 24 New Jersey
Gwen Joyce Wife F 22 New Jersey
Household ID: 17 , Line Number: 81
GS Film number: 1821032 , Digital Folder Number: 004313333 , Image Number: 00858



The missing images (1910-1930) - magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
1910
https://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po877unit#page/n914/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po1070unit#page/n321/mode/1up
1920
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1035unit#page/n301/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1035unit#page/n307/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1033unit#page/n87/mode/1up
1930
https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1340#page/n955/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1338#page/n276/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1387#page/n883/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1374#page/n809/mode/1up

Thru 1930, I've not found Wm 1910-1930, Kate 1910, Gwen 1930

You can search 1940 [with image link] via:
https://familysearch.org/1940census

Using:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
and the handy US subset:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?page=1&countryId=1


1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9N3-KGG [with image link]
1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9N3-KG6 [with image link]
[11 kids born - 7 still living (all are on this census)- parents immig 1882]
David Sims Head M 40 Wales
Sarah Sims Wife F 44 Wales
William Sims Son M 17 New Jersey
Bessie Sims Daughter F 14 New Jersey
Kate Sims Daughter F 13 New Jersey
Maggie Sims Daughter F 10 New Jersey
John Sims Son M 5 New Jersey
Gwen Sims Daughter F 4 New Jersey
Rachel Sims Daughter F 0 New Jersey
[Census nominal day was 1st June for 1830-1900. They were actually enumerated 13/6/1900.
The (b'day - no date - just month) ages were recorded as (Aug 1860) 39, (Aug 1856) 43, (Aug 1883) 16, (Mch 1886) 14, (Feb 1887) 13, (Feb 1890) 10, (Feb 1895) 5, (Aug 1896) 3, (Nov 1900) 6/12.
These ages match the b'day given, but not the transcription.

1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKTJ-5CV
Daniel Sims Head M 49 Wales
Sarah Ann Sims Wife F 53 Wales
Margaret Sims Daughter F 20 New Jersey
John Sims Son M 15 New Jersey
Gwen Sims Daughter F 12 New Jersey
Rachel Sims Daughter F 10 New Jersey
District: 35 , Sheet Number and Letter: 5B , Household ID: 141
GS Film number: 1374890 , Digital Folder Number: 004330865 , Image Number: 00915

1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4RM-3F2
David Sims Head M 56 Wales
Sarah Sims Wife F 63 Wales
Margarett Sims Daughter F 27 New Jersey
Rachel Sims Daughter F 20 New Jersey
District: 208 , Sheet Number and Letter: 5A , Household ID: 90 , Line Number: 10
GS Film number: 1821035 , Digital Folder Number: 004313336 , Image Number: 00304


We know of 3 spouses from the cemetery data

1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKTJ-5CN
Joseph Hughes Head M 25 Pennsylvania
Bessie Hughes Wife F 24 New Jersey
Sarah A Hughes Daughter F 3 Pennsylvania
District: 35 , Sheet Number and Letter: 5B , Household ID: 140
GS Film number: 1374890 , Digital Folder Number: 004330865 , Image Number: 00915
[Bessie's next door to parents]

1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M455-RGG
Joseph Hughes Head M 34 Pennsylvania
Bessie Hughes Wife F 33 New Jersey
Serra Hughes Daughter F 12 Pennsylvania
Mary Hughes Daughter F 6 New Jersey
Household ID: 521 , Line Number: 27
GS Film number: 1821033 , Digital Folder Number: 004313334 , Image Number: 00090

1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X469-NN9
Joseph Hughes Head M 44 Pennsylvania
Bessie Hughes Wife F 44 New Jersey
Mary Hughes Daughter F 12 New Jersey
Margaret Hughes Daughter F 10 New Jersey
Household ID: 193 , Line Number: 5
Affiliate Film Number: 1340 ,
GS Film number: 2341075 , Digital Folder Number: 004660893 , Image Number: 00960


1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4DT-L2G
Harry Nieman Head M 38 New Jersey
Margaret Nieman Wife F 39 New Jersey
Household ID: 107 , Line Number: 7
Affiliate Film Number: 1338 ,
GS Film number: 2341073 , Digital Folder Number: 004660891 , Image Number: 00281


1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4RM-MVH
John Sims Head M 24 New Jersey
May Sims Wife F 25 New Jersey
John D Sims Son M 2 New Jersey
Sarah A Sims Daughter F 0 New Jersey
Household ID: 159 , Line Number: 33
GS Film number: 1821035 , Digital Folder Number: 004313336 , Image Number: 00310

1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4F4-2PV
John Sims Head M 35 New Jersey
Marie Sims Wife F 35 New Jersey
John Sims Son M 13 New Jersey
Sarah Sims Daughter F 10 New Jersey
Anna May Sims Daughter F 6 New Jersey
Loretta Sims Daughter F 3 New Jersey
Household ID: 480 , Line Number: 35
Affiliate Film Number: 1374 ,
GS Film number: 2341109 , Digital Folder Number: 004660927 , Image Number: 00807

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8677744
Sarah Ann Evans Sims
Birth: Sep. 14, 1856, Wales
Death: Nov. 30, 1926
Morris County
New Jersey, USA
Family links:
Parents:
Richard Evans (1822 - 1890)
Elizabeth Lovett Evans (1828 - 1901)
Spouse:
David Sims (1860 - 1929)*
Children:
Bessie Sims Hughes (1886 - 1959)*
Margaret Sims Nieman (1891 - 1953)*
John David Sims (1895 - 1959)*
Siblings:
Margaret Evans Williams (1854 - 1929)*
Sarah Ann Evans Sims (1856 - 1926)
Richard Evans (1859 - 1912)*
Elizabeth Jane Evans Williams (1871 - 1950)*
Rachel Evans Trevena (1874 - 1911)*
Inscription:
"Born in So. Wales"
Burial:
Orchard Street Cemetery
Dover
Morris County
New Jersey, USA

All the people named above are buried (or memorialized) in this cemetery, usually with their own families and grave pics.
I'll leace you to click on the links. NB for her dad Richard s/o Reese & Mary Evans, his d.cert (d 29/1/1890) is posted:
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2014/309/106632505_1415328494.jpg
It says he's been in the state 8 y.

Thanks, Gins. They obviously did go to the US then. I guessed they might have done because I couldn't find them anywhere here.

Annie

1900 United States Federal Census

Name:Elizabeth Evans

Age:69

Birth Date:Nov 1830

Birthplace:Wales

Home in 1900:Rockaway, Morris, New Jersey

Race:White

Gender:Female

Immigration Year:1883

Relation to Head of House:Mother

Marital Status:Widowed

Father's Birthplace:Wales

Mother's Birthplace:Wales

Mother: number of living children:
1

Mother: How many children:
1


Household Members:


Name

Age


Elizabeth Williams 29
Lizzie Williams 7
Mamie Williams 5
Mable Williams 2
Elizabeth Evans 69

Name:
Elizabeth Evans
[Elizabeth Lovett]

Birth Date:31 Oct 1828

Birth Place:Merthyr Tydfil, Wales

Death Date:12 Jul 1901

Death Place:
Rockaway, Morris County, New Jersey, USA

Cemetery:Orchard Street Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:
Dover, Morris County, New Jersey, USA

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:
Richard Evans

Children:
Sarah Ann Sims
Margaret Williams
Elizabeth Jane Williams
Rachel Trevena

I was looking for Sims!!!



Name:Richard Evans

Birth Date:1822

Birth Place:Merthyr Tydfil, Wales

Death Date:30 Jan 1890

Death Place:
Rockaway, Morris County, New Jersey, USA

Cemetery:Orchard Street Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:
Dover, Morris County, New Jersey, USA

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:
Elizabeth Evans
Evans
Elizabeth

Children:
Sarah Ann Sims
Margaret Williams
Elizabeth Jane Williams
Rachel Trevena

For Gins. 1871



NAME: Richard Evans
AGE: 49
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1822
RELATION: Head
SPOUSE'S NAME: Elizabeth Evans
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales
CIVIL PARISH: Merthyr Tydfil
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Pentrebach
TOWN: Merthyr Tydfil
COUNTY/ISLAND: Glamorgan
COUNTRY: Wales
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Merthyr Tydfil
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 11
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 76
PIECE: 5392
FOLIO: 35
PAGE NUMBER: 21
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Richard Evans 49
Elizabeth Evans 40
Mary Evans 21
Margaret Evans 19
Susan Evans 17
Sarah Ann Evans 15
Richard Evans 14
Rea Evans 11
Nathaniel Evans 6
Jessie Evans 4
Elizabeth J Evans 5 Months
Margaret Lovett 71
Anne Lovett 47

Just seen that, Gins. So that's what happened to David.

Annie

Thanks, Margee, I'll look at that now. I found a David but can't find him attached to the family anywhere else. I don't have Ancestry World Wide because I've never needed it - until now!

Annie

You have been working hard! I popped to the shops so I've only just seen these last ones. Thanks, Gins, I'll look at them now.

Annie

This may be your David?



New Jersey, Deaths and Burials Index, 1798-1971

Name:David Sims

Birth Date:abt 1892

Birth Place:United States

Death Date:27 Jul 1896

Death Place:Rockaway, Morris, New Jersey

Death Age:4 years

Gender:Male

Father Birth Place:
England

Mother Birth Place:
England

FHL Film Number:589806

A tree on Ancestry lists 10 children of David & Sarah Ann including David born 1892. Although perhaps it's your tree?

Heres Rachel



1930 United States Federal Census

Name:Rachel Frame

Birth Year:abt 1900

Gender:Female

Race:White

Birthplace:New Jersey

Marital Status:Married

Relation to Head of House:Wife

Homemaker?:Yes

Home in 1930:Newark, Essex, New Jersey

Street address:Walnut Street

Ward of City:10th

Block:1180

House Number in Cities or Towns:281

Dwelling Number:49

Family Number:108

Age at First Marriage:21

Attended School:No

Able to Read and Write:Yes

Father's Birthplace:Wales

Mother's Birthplace:Wales

Able to Speak English:Yes

Name

Age

John E Frame 30
Rachel Frame 30
Margaret Frame 6

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California, Death Index, 1940-1997

Name:
Rachel S Frame
[Rachel S Sims]

Social Security #:155240531

Gender:Female

Birth Date:11 Dec 1899

Birth Place:New Jersey

Death Date:27 Aug 1983

Death Place:Sacramento

Mother's Maiden Name:
Evans

Father's Surname:
Sims

This looks like Margaret



1930 United States Federal Census

Name:Margaret Nieman

Birth Year:abt 1891

Gender:Female

Race:White

Birthplace:New Jersey

Marital Status:Married

Relation to Head of House:Wife

Homemaker?:Yes

Home in 1930:Newark, Essex, New Jersey

Street address:Walnut Street

Ward of City:10th

Block:1180

House Number in Cities or Towns:281

Dwelling Number:49

Family Number:107

Age at First Marriage:36

Attended School:No

Able to Read and Write:Yes

Father's Birthplace:
Wales

Mother's Birthplace:
Wales

Household Members:


Name

Age


Harry Nieman 38
Margaret Nieman 39

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U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:
Margaret Nieman
[Margaret Sims]

Birth Date:29 Jan 1891

Birth Place:New Jersey, USA

Death Date:24 Feb 1953

Death Place:New Jersey, USA

Cemetery:Orchard Street Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Dover, Morris County, New Jersey, USA

Has Bio?:N

Mother:
Sarah Ann Sims