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22 Jan 2015 17:03 |
Name: Elizabeth Evans [Elizabeth Lovett]
Birth Date:31 Oct 1828
Birth Place:Merthyr Tydfil, Wales
Death Date:12 Jul 1901
Death Place: Rockaway, Morris County, New Jersey, USA
Cemetery:Orchard Street Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Dover, Morris County, New Jersey, USA
Has Bio?:N
Spouse: Richard Evans
Children: Sarah Ann Sims Margaret Williams Elizabeth Jane Williams Rachel Trevena
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22 Jan 2015 17:05 |
1900 United States Federal Census
Name:Elizabeth Evans
Age:69
Birth Date:Nov 1830
Birthplace:Wales
Home in 1900:Rockaway, Morris, New Jersey
Race:White
Gender:Female
Immigration Year:1883
Relation to Head of House:Mother
Marital Status:Widowed
Father's Birthplace:Wales
Mother's Birthplace:Wales
Mother: number of living children: 1
Mother: How many children: 1
Household Members:
Name
Age
Elizabeth Williams 29 Lizzie Williams 7 Mamie Williams 5 Mable Williams 2 Elizabeth Evans 69
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22 Jan 2015 17:12 |
Thanks, Gins. They obviously did go to the US then. I guessed they might have done because I couldn't find them anywhere here.
Annie
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23 Jan 2015 23:34 |
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8677744 Sarah Ann Evans Sims Birth: Sep. 14, 1856, Wales Death: Nov. 30, 1926 Morris County New Jersey, USA Family links: Parents: Richard Evans (1822 - 1890) Elizabeth Lovett Evans (1828 - 1901) Spouse: David Sims (1860 - 1929)* Children: Bessie Sims Hughes (1886 - 1959)* Margaret Sims Nieman (1891 - 1953)* John David Sims (1895 - 1959)* Siblings: Margaret Evans Williams (1854 - 1929)* Sarah Ann Evans Sims (1856 - 1926) Richard Evans (1859 - 1912)* Elizabeth Jane Evans Williams (1871 - 1950)* Rachel Evans Trevena (1874 - 1911)* Inscription: "Born in So. Wales" Burial: Orchard Street Cemetery Dover Morris County New Jersey, USA All the people named above are buried (or memorialized) in this cemetery, usually with their own families and grave pics. I'll leace you to click on the links. NB for her dad Richard s/o Reese & Mary Evans, his d.cert (d 29/1/1890) is posted: http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2014/309/106632505_1415328494.jpg It says he's been in the state 8 y.
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24 Jan 2015 05:18 |
Using: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES and the handy US subset: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?page=1&countryId=1
1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9N3-KGG [with image link] 1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9N3-KG6 [with image link] [11 kids born - 7 still living (all are on this census)- parents immig 1882] David Sims Head M 40 Wales Sarah Sims Wife F 44 Wales William Sims Son M 17 New Jersey Bessie Sims Daughter F 14 New Jersey Kate Sims Daughter F 13 New Jersey Maggie Sims Daughter F 10 New Jersey John Sims Son M 5 New Jersey Gwen Sims Daughter F 4 New Jersey Rachel Sims Daughter F 0 New Jersey [Census nominal day was 1st June for 1830-1900. They were actually enumerated 13/6/1900. The (b'day - no date - just month) ages were recorded as (Aug 1860) 39, (Aug 1856) 43, (Aug 1883) 16, (Mch 1886) 14, (Feb 1887) 13, (Feb 1890) 10, (Feb 1895) 5, (Aug 1896) 3, (Nov 1900) 6/12. These ages match the b'day given, but not the transcription.
1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKTJ-5CV Daniel Sims Head M 49 Wales Sarah Ann Sims Wife F 53 Wales Margaret Sims Daughter F 20 New Jersey John Sims Son M 15 New Jersey Gwen Sims Daughter F 12 New Jersey Rachel Sims Daughter F 10 New Jersey District: 35 , Sheet Number and Letter: 5B , Household ID: 141 GS Film number: 1374890 , Digital Folder Number: 004330865 , Image Number: 00915
1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4RM-3F2 David Sims Head M 56 Wales Sarah Sims Wife F 63 Wales Margarett Sims Daughter F 27 New Jersey Rachel Sims Daughter F 20 New Jersey District: 208 , Sheet Number and Letter: 5A , Household ID: 90 , Line Number: 10 GS Film number: 1821035 , Digital Folder Number: 004313336 , Image Number: 00304
We know of 3 spouses from the cemetery data
1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKTJ-5CN Joseph Hughes Head M 25 Pennsylvania Bessie Hughes Wife F 24 New Jersey Sarah A Hughes Daughter F 3 Pennsylvania District: 35 , Sheet Number and Letter: 5B , Household ID: 140 GS Film number: 1374890 , Digital Folder Number: 004330865 , Image Number: 00915 [Bessie's next door to parents]
1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M455-RGG Joseph Hughes Head M 34 Pennsylvania Bessie Hughes Wife F 33 New Jersey Serra Hughes Daughter F 12 Pennsylvania Mary Hughes Daughter F 6 New Jersey Household ID: 521 , Line Number: 27 GS Film number: 1821033 , Digital Folder Number: 004313334 , Image Number: 00090
1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X469-NN9 Joseph Hughes Head M 44 Pennsylvania Bessie Hughes Wife F 44 New Jersey Mary Hughes Daughter F 12 New Jersey Margaret Hughes Daughter F 10 New Jersey Household ID: 193 , Line Number: 5 Affiliate Film Number: 1340 , GS Film number: 2341075 , Digital Folder Number: 004660893 , Image Number: 00960
1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4DT-L2G Harry Nieman Head M 38 New Jersey Margaret Nieman Wife F 39 New Jersey Household ID: 107 , Line Number: 7 Affiliate Film Number: 1338 , GS Film number: 2341073 , Digital Folder Number: 004660891 , Image Number: 00281
1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4RM-MVH John Sims Head M 24 New Jersey May Sims Wife F 25 New Jersey John D Sims Son M 2 New Jersey Sarah A Sims Daughter F 0 New Jersey Household ID: 159 , Line Number: 33 GS Film number: 1821035 , Digital Folder Number: 004313336 , Image Number: 00310
1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4F4-2PV John Sims Head M 35 New Jersey Marie Sims Wife F 35 New Jersey John Sims Son M 13 New Jersey Sarah Sims Daughter F 10 New Jersey Anna May Sims Daughter F 6 New Jersey Loretta Sims Daughter F 3 New Jersey Household ID: 480 , Line Number: 35 Affiliate Film Number: 1374 , GS Film number: 2341109 , Digital Folder Number: 004660927 , Image Number: 00807
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24 Jan 2015 05:19 |
Same house as Maggie: 1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4DT-L25 John E Frame Head M 30 New Jersey Rachel Frame Wife F 30 New Jersey Margaret Frame Daughter F 6 New Jersey Household ID: 108 , Line Number: 9 Affiliate Film Number: 1338 , GS Film number: 2341073 , Digital Folder Number: 004660891 , Image Number: 00281
Now just guessing Kate & Gwen - no sign of Wm
1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5H5-L4D Hagobert Zeiser Head M 67 Germany Josephine Zeiser Wife F 65 Germany Joseph Zeiser Son M 35 New York Otto Zeiser Son M 32 New York Agness Zeiser Daughter F 29 New York Rudolph Zeiser Son M 26 New York Josephine Zeiser Daughter F 24 New York Leo Zeiser Son M 23 New York Pauline Zeiser Daughter F 21 New York District: 57 , Sheet Number and Letter: 3B , Household ID: 67 GS Film number: 1375083 , Digital Folder Number: 004450000 , Image Number: 00324 [on image, Rudolph is single]
1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M455-SZ3 Rudolph Zeiser Head M 39 New Jersey Kathrine Zeiser Wife F 31 New Jersey Anna Zeiser Daughter F 8 New Jersey Household ID: 18 , Line Number: 83 GS Film number: 1821032 , Digital Folder Number: 004313333 , Image Number: 00858
1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4N9-KW1 Rudolph Zeiser Head M 49 New Jersey Catherine Zeiser Wife F 42 New Jersey Anna Zeiser Daughter F 18 New Jersey Household ID: 24 , Line Number: 74 Affiliate Film Number: 1387 , GS Film number: 2341122 , Digital Folder Number: 004660940 , Image Number: 00887
1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M45P-129 Harry Joyce Head M 24 New Jersey Gwen Joyce Wife F 22 New Jersey Household ID: 17 , Line Number: 81 GS Film number: 1821032 , Digital Folder Number: 004313333 , Image Number: 00858
The missing images (1910-1930) - magnify 4 clicks, then save image: 1910 https://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po877unit#page/n914/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po1070unit#page/n321/mode/1up 1920 https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1035unit#page/n301/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1035unit#page/n307/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1033unit#page/n87/mode/1up 1930 https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1340#page/n955/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1338#page/n276/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1387#page/n883/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1374#page/n809/mode/1up
Thru 1930, I've not found Wm 1910-1930, Kate 1910, Gwen 1930
You can search 1940 [with image link] via: https://familysearch.org/1940census
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24 Jan 2015 08:45 |
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8092534
Getting round to your original Q:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27T2-PX8 [with image link] Name: David Sims Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1883 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Male Age: 23 Nationality: England Birth Year (Estimated): 1860 Ship Name: City Of Berlin Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 471 , GS Film Number: 001027041 , Digital Folder Number: 004680401 , Image Number: 00527 [Reel 471 covers 30 Sep 1883-12 Nov 1883]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KR [with image link] Name: Sarah A Sims Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1883 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 23 Nationality: England Birth Year (Estimated): 1860 Ship Name: City Of Montreal Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 472 , GS Film Number: 001027042 , Digital Folder Number: 004680402 , Image Number: 01023
with Mary https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KT [with image link] Bessy https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KY [with image link] & Sarah A https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPF-46KB [with image link] [Reel 472 covers 14 Nov 1883-31 Dec 1883]
1881 CIVIL PARISH: Merthyr Tydfil COUNTY/ISLAND: Glamorgan COUNTRY: Wales STREET ADDRESS: 10 Long Row REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Merthyr Tydfil SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 11 PIECE: 5310 FOLIO: 53 PAGE NUMBER: 2
Richd. Evans 59 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Head M Labourer Underground Elizth. Evans 50 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Wife M Richd. Evans 22 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margaret Williams 25 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter M Rees Evans 20 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son Fireman At Iron Works Nathl. Evans 17 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son Fireman At Iron Works Jessie Evans 15 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Elizth.Jane Evans 11 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Scholar Rachel Evans 7 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Scholar George Williams 24 Cefn, Breconshire, Wales Son in Law M Labr Underground
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-4ZDW [with image link] Name: Richard Evans Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1881 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Male Age: 59 Nationality: England Birth Year (Estimated): 1822 Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 443 , GS Film Number: 001027013 , Digital Folder Number: 004680523 , Image Number: 00571 [Reel 443 covers 11 Oct 1881-25 Oct 1881] [Transcription doesn't say, but image 564 shows USM Arizona from Liverpool & Queenstown disembarking 25/10/1881]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F599 [with image link] Name: Elizabeth Evans Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1883 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 52 Nationality: Wales Birth Year (Estimated): 1831 Affiliate Publication Number: M237 , Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 , Affiliate Film Number: 465 , GS Film Number: 001027035 , Digital Folder Number: 004680395 , Image Number: 00158
With Nat https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F59S [with image link] Eliz https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F593 [with image link] and Rachael https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-F59Q [with image link] [Reel 465 covers 9 May 1883-25 May 1883] [Transcription doesn't say, but image 138 shows RMS City of Chester from Liverpool & Queenstown disembarking 12/5/1883]
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24 Jan 2015 13:12 |
Ye gods! I was out all day yesterday so I've only just come back to this. Thank you so much, I'll read and digest it all now.
Annie
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24 Jan 2015 13:54 |
Oh Annie
You have made chuckle!
:-)
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24 Jan 2015 14:07 |
It's interesting that Sarah and David went to the US on different ships at different times. And so did the old folks by the look at it. David and Sarah had a child, William, born in Merthyr Tydfil in 1883 so maybe she had to wait until he was old enough to travel. I had no idea when I started on this that there would be so much information out there. I'm now spending time here when I haven't yet done the shopping! Maybe Hubby won't be hungry this weekend.
Annie
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25 Jan 2015 00:14 |
Here's one of the censuses I missed:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X46S-4KS Harry Joyce Head M 34 New York Quen Joyce Wife F 32 New Jersey Harry E Joyce Son M 9 New Jersey Evelyn Joyce Daughter F 4 New Jersey Household ID: 470 , Line Number: 96 Affiliate Film Number: 1342 , GS Film number: 2341077 , Digital Folder Number: 004660895 , Image Number: 00238 [The image does say Quen - unlike the UK censuses, where most info was gotten from forms dropped off a few days before-hand, filled in by the h/h'er, and just checked over by the enumerator, the US census was done by face-to-face questioning - an approach only needed in the UK when the h/h'er had bother folling in the form. Obviously, the actual enumeration takes longer in the US - I drew attn to the 1900 actual enumeration date, so that took 13 days so far. What the US saves is the dropping off of census forms in a place that doesn't have a door-to-door postal service - out west, I've seen Enumertor's Districts of over 500 sq miles - fancy going round that twice in a month?]
Remember, 4 clicks, then save - or else you get low resolution files downloaded: https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1342#page/n233/mode/1up [addy = 535 Bergen St. The street is sideways in col 1, and the house # is in col 2]
Annie - yes, that's a fimiliar pattern. In my wife's family, bro & bro-in-law went first, then the sister & kids went out to join one hubby, accompanied by her hubby, then she joined sis & hubby, and 11y after it all began, parnts joined their 2 daurs & grand-kids. The bro meanwhile returned, and 2 other sisters, now marr, stayed in the UK. In another case, the whole family went out to PA for a few years, then returned - their US born son was really easy to spot on the English census, even when mistranscribed.
In my family, my dad's adult cousin came first, followed a year later by his parents and 2 younger bros.
When you think abt it, it makes sense to check things out first - that way, you can get a job and line up accomodation - alternatively, if things don't look good, you've only lost time and the cost of one return trip. Of course, there are some home situations where anything is an improvement, and that's where one sees the classic examples of "serial immigration", so as soon as the immigrant has enough money for a ticket, he brings someone over, and when they've enough money for another ticket, another family member comes over, etc, etc.
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