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Samuel Miller
AGE: 2
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1879
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD: Son
MOTHER: Louisa Miller
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Mchr, Lancashire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Manchester
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 84 Primrose St
EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Manchester
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Ancoats
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 10
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 3979
FOLIO: 44
PAGE NUMBER: 11
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Louisa Miller 30
Samuel Miller 2
Elizabeth Miller 4
Thomas Miller 8 months

Louisa says she is widowed. If she died when Samuel was a child the children may have been put into the Workhouse too. Samuel may have been sent to an industrial or orphan school from where young boys were often trained for the Navy.

Rootgather thanks for your info but I already knew, what I would to know where he was in 1891census???

Have you found his brother or sister in 1891 please?

If, as seems likely, he was in some sort of institution then he may have been recorded on the census using only his initials.

This is on a tree on ancestry. It may or may not be relevant or help to find him.



Samuel F G Miller
Birth 1880 in Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death 1946 in Portsmouth, Sussex

only one forename on the death recod


First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name MILLER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 67
Death quarter 2
Death year 1946
District PORTSMOUTH
County Hampshire
Volume 2B
Page 635
Country England

If the person whose tree is on Ancestry thinks Portsmouth is in Sussex, the rest of the info must be highly suspect!

There are no births on freebmd or LancsBMD to match the 1881 census info for the boys

No sign either of a marriage for Louisa, unless you have info to the contrary, Gladys

And I can't see a death for her to match what you say.

Can you give us the freebmd transcription, please

Where did Louisa die please? I am not seeing an obvious death in Manchester.

Gladys ................


just a point of information .......

......... you may have had the 1881 census, but we, the member helpers, did not.


That is why Rootgatherer posted the entire census ............... for OUR information and help.

Sometimes we find people by tracing other family members.

That tree on ancestry has Samuel F G Miller marrying Miriam Parr, and 6 children being born of the marriage



Is this YOUR Samuel????

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)

MILLER Samuel Portsmouth 2b 949
PARR Miriam Portsmouth 2b 949

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm

(above has below, if relating)

ADM 188/474/293601
Description: Name Miller, Samuel
Official Number: 293601
Place of Birth: Manchester, Lancashire
Date of Birth: 16 October 1880


Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
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Miller Samuel Blackburn 8e 387

Chris :)


Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
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MILLER Samuel George F Chipping N. 3a 814

(also a Marines for above)


1901 (Find My Past) (Reference)

First name(s) Saml
Last name Miller
Relationship Crew
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 20
Birth year 1881
Occupation Stoker
Birth town Manchester
Birth town as transcribed MANCHESTER
Birth county Lancashire
Country Ships and Overseas Establishments
County Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Vessel name "resolution"
Registration district Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 5332
Folio 71
Page 25

Gladys, I think it may help if you could tell us a wee bit more about how you worked back to Samuel please?

Did he marry please? If so did he give a name and occupation for his father?

If the 1881 census is the correct Samuel, then the Samuel with a birth date of 16 October 1880 may not be yours as Samuel in 1881 has a brother Thomas aged 8 months.

The child Samuel on 1881 census was born no later than March 1879

The Ancestry tree is nonsense, as that Samuel was born in Oxfordshire, and probably died in 1941

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32 Washington Road Buckland Portsmouth, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Samuel G F Miller Head Married Male 30 1881 Oxfordshire Finstock Stoker Transcription
Catherine E Miller Wife Married Female 25 1886 Hants Portsmouth - Transcription
Leslie Y S Miller Son - Male 2 1909 Hants Portsmouth - Transcription
John Jackson Boarder Married Male 28 1883 Lancs Radcliffe Fitter And Turner Transcription


Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
MARSH Catherine Emma Portsmouth 2b 754
MILLER Samuel George F Portsmouth 2b 754


He married again in 1929.......possibly to his sister-in-law. The bride's name was Amy Marsh

Has anyone had any luck with finding the 'right' Samuel in 1911?

additional info re the birth posted by Chris

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MILLER Samuel Blackburn Blackburn CARTER B/212/33
MILLER Thomas Blackburn Blackburn CARTER B/212/33

Twins

And...........

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
MILLER Samuel 0 Blackburn Blackburn B/149/14

Jacqueline, I can't see any of that family in later census or any appropriate deaths or marriages using the Miller surname! Perhaps I'm just having a few "senior" hours :-)

In that case, so am I............lol!

We need some factual feedback from Gladys if we are to get any further with this.

I'm off out now...............will look in later.

suggestion ..............................



I wonder if the Miller children were "adopted" or fostered, and took on that family's name??


OR could their mother have married before she died, and they are living with the step-father ......................... indeed, is Gladys correct in saying that mother died, could she have married at that point??



I have to go out and won't be able to do anything on here for several hours .......................



but has anyone tried finding the children under their forenames and birth dates / places only??????