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if above is correct there are further births
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William Mcsorley
mentioned in the record of Elizabeth Mcsorley
Name: William Mcsorley
Gender: Male
Wife: Mary Foster
Child: Elizabeth Mcsorley
Other information in the record of Elizabeth Mcsorley
from Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: Elizabeth Mcsorley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1874
Birthplace: Ireland
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Mother's Name: Mary Foster
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02467-4 , System Origin: Ireland-EASy , GS Film number: 255917 , Reference ID: v 18 p 217


William Mcsorley
mentioned in the record of Mary Mcsorley
Name: William Mcsorley
Gender: Male
Wife: Mary Foster Mcsorley
Child: Mary Mcsorley
Other information in the record of Mary Mcsorley
from Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: Mary Mcsorley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1880
Birthplace: Rathkuland, Fermanagh, Ireland
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Mother's Name: Mary Foster Mcsorley
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04320-6 , System Origin: Ireland-EASy , G


William Mcsorley
mentioned in the record of William Irvine Mcsorley
Name: William Mcsorley
Birthplace: Rathkeeland
Gender: Male
Wife: Mary Mcsorley Foster
Child: William Irvine Mcsorley
Other information in the record of William Irvine Mcsorley
from Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: William Irvine Mcsorley
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 07 Jun 1877
Birthplace: Fermanagh, Ireland
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Father's Birthplace: Rathkeeland
Mother's Name: Mary Mcsorley Foster
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00574-9 , System Origin: Ireland-EASy , GS Film number: 255981 , Referenc



William Irvine Mcsorley
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes
Name: William Irvine Mcsorley
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 1877
Event Place: Lisnaskea, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: 1877
Registration District: Lisnaskea
Volume Number: 8
Page Number: 253
GS Film number: 101054 , Digital Folder Number: 004193455 , Image Number: 00286

think it is correct, I'm guessing James Robert McSorely names his first child William Irvine

His first born (my dad) was named 'William Ivor'

Sorry Neil- my mistake, thinking out load :)

No problem gritty If you could see all the blind alleys I've looked up!!!
And of course he may have had a reason for choosing Ivor that remains a mystery still!
If of course it is the same 'James' that is
I will have to have another look on Ancestry using some of this latest info Phewth

Maybe connected:

First name(s) William
Last name M'Soarley
Registration year 1867
Registered Quarter/Year 1867
Registration district Enniskillen
Volume 2
Page 134

MarriageFinder™ William M'Soarley married one of these people

Jane Gorley, MARY FORSTER, Jane Gault, Eliza Jane Crawford

Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Ireland

Same marriage on familysearch:

Name: William Mcsoarley
Spouse's Name: Mary Forster
Event Date: 07 Mar 1867
Event Place: Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland
Father's Name: George Mcsoarley
Spouse's Father's Name: John Forster
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single

EDIT: Also these children on familysearch:

Name: Margret Mc Sorely
Gender: Female
Christening Place:224, MAGUIRESBRIDGE, FERM, IRE
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1869
Birthplace: Fermanagh, Ireland
Father's Name: William Mc Sorely
Mother's Name: Mary Forster

Name: John Mcsorley
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Dec 1871
Birthplace: Maguiresbridge, Ferm, Ire Fermanagh, Ireland
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Mother's Name: Mary Forster

Name: Elizabeth Mcsorley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1874
Birthplace: Ireland
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Mother's Name: Mary Foster

Well done, Gritty!

Brother William?


UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about William McSorley

Name:William McSorley
Birth Place:Aughavea, Brookbro, Co. Fermanagh
Residence:Lisnaskea, Co. Fermanagh
Death Date:15 Oct 1918
Death Place:France and Flanders
Enlistment Place:Enniskillen
Rank:Corporal
Regiment:Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Battalion:9th Battalion
Regimental Number:14102
Type of Casualty:Died of wounds
Theatre of War:Western European Theatre

Not sure though, as CWGC gives father as G W McSorley , Erne Terrace, Lisnaskia

Edit - Sorry - not this one, he was norn 1888, so too young to be the William above.

Going back to brother Thomas, this is the only one I can find in the Irish 1901 census:

Residents of a house 3 in Bunlougher (Deerpark, Fermanagh)

McSorley Wm 60 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland
McSorley Mary 54 Female Wife Church of Ireland
McSorley John 27 Male Son Church of Ireland
McSorley Thos 16 Male Son Church of Ireland
McSorley Martha 11 Female Daughter Church of Ireland

William's occupation is given as Caretaker but he could have retired from sailmaking.

Same family in 1911:

McSorley Mary 66 Female Head of Family Church of Ireland - widow
McSorley John 37 Male Son Church of Ireland
McSorley Elizabeth 34 Female Daughter Church of Ireland
McSorley William 32 Male Son Church of Ireland
McSorley Martha 21 Female Daughter Church of Ireland

Elizabeth's birth

Name: Elizabeth Mcsorley
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1874
Birthplace: Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Foster
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02467-4
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 255917
Reference ID: v 18 p 217

Another sister:

Name: Mary Mcsorley
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1880
Birthplace: Rathkuland, Fermanagh, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Mcsorley
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Foster Mcsorley
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04320-6
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 256046
Reference ID: p226 rn216

And Martha's birth:

First name(s) Martha
Last name M'Sorley
Registration year 1889
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1889
Registration district Lisnaskea
Volume 3
Page 159
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958

Potty- on that 1911 census it states 10 children born, 8 still living. So far I think we have 8:

Margaret 1869
John 1871
Elizabeth 1874
William Irvine 1877
Mary 1880
James Robert 1883
Thomas 1885
Martha 1889

and a possible death for William:

First name(s) William
Last name M'Sorley
Birth year 1836
Age at death 72
Registered year 1908
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1908
Registration district Lisnaskea
Volume 3
Page 130
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Deaths 1864 - 1958

Going back to James Robert -
a possibility in view of the 1891 posted earlier?


1901 Scotland Census about James Mcsorley
Name: James Mcsorley
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 573/1
Registration district: Paisley
Civil Parish: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 11 New Smithhills Str
Occupation: Rivetter
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 59
LINE: 6
Roll: CSSCT1901_208
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Goldie 30
Mary Goldie 24
James Goldie 3
Ellen Goldie 2
James Mcsorley 21

Gritty, could the two children who died be the first two Williams? Not sure about the James in the 1891 and 1901. Mary seems to be in Ireland with William in 1901, so couldn't be the Mary in Scotland in 1891. Shame we can't find James's original service record but I would guess he was in South Africa in the Boer War.

Neil, do you have this:


UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920

James McSorley
Discharge Unit:Royal Garrison Artillery 3/4 S.A.R. Bde.
Regiment:Royal Garrison Artillery
Regimental Number:278102
Rank:Gunner
Badge Number:B35344
Piece:2986
List Number:RGA 0801-1200
Record Group:WO
Record Class:329

Thanks guys...
Guess it will take me a little while to go through all of this stuff (more garnered in a day than in previous 8 months of looking!)
I've added the bits I had plus the union & railway company details as docs
Plus this morning I received both James & Elizabeth's death certificates Which gives me more info on my relatives who moved to Bristol (uncles & aunt) So perhaps I can find someone to chat to at last! Fingers crossed...

Quick update I've managed to contact a couple of relatives and will be meeting up with them soon and hope to have photographs & certificates
I've updated the Ancestry FT with what I have (thanks to you lot)
Not been well for last few weeks but now getting back into it
Will let you know if & when I get more stuff to put up on his profile
Once again many thanks to everyone for the help.