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Empey
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7 Nov 2014 09:44 |
Thanks to you and others. I'll get a few certificates to verify some of the info.
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6 Nov 2014 21:41 |
Well done Empey, it's so nice to be able to tie things up nicely. :-) :-)
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Empey
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6 Nov 2014 12:09 |
You have already given me the answer.
In 1891 the O’Malley household included Hannah’s younger sister, Clara O’Malley, age 15. In September quarter 1906 a Thomas Meehan married Clare O’Malley or Elizabeth Stanley. A Thomas Meehan was born in March 1907. It seems likely that the legatee was Hannah's nephew.
Thanks.
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6 Nov 2014 10:52 |
Just out of curiosity (I like to have a possible ending to the story), can anyone find any further info? I have exhausted my capacities using the tools I have (FMP, Free BMD, etc). This is what I have so far:
In 1901 there was a Thomas Meehan living a few doors away from the O’Malley family (Harriet Knowles was born O’Malley). In fact, there were two: father Thomas Meehan a labourer age 54 and son Thomas Meehan age 16, a cotton piecer. In that year Harried O’Malley, a tobacco spinner, was 17 years old. Is this significant? Note: There is a birth for a Thomas Meehan in March 1907. As this was before the mother’s name was automatically recorded I do not know whether Harriet was the mother. If she was, there seems to be no reason why they did not marry. There appears to be no death recorded for a Thomas Meehan around that date.
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Empey
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4 Nov 2014 21:47 |
Thanks again for your help.
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4 Nov 2014 20:34 |
Empey
If you want a 'true' family tree, you really need to buy certificates
I had to buy several for my G Grandfather and others before I found the right one!
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4 Nov 2014 17:35 |
Thanks again. I guess it is most likely to be her. I doubt there were many of that name Harriet Knowles who left such a nice legacy. Probably a nephew?
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4 Nov 2014 15:29 |
There is a Thomas Meehan/m living a fe w doors away from the O'Malley/Malley family in 1901. Perhaps he has something to do with the Probate?
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 162, Blackhorse Street, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Meeham Head Married Male 54 1847 Labourer (Builders) Ireland Transcription Ann Meeham Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Ireland Transcription John Meeham Son Single Male 27 1874 Electric Car Driver Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Sarah E Meeham Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Cotton Winder Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription >>Thomas Meeham Son Single Male 16 1885 Cotton Piecer Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Meeham Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Cotton Card Room Hand Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Rosey Meeham Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Joseph Meeham Son Single Male 10 1891 - Bolton, Lancashire, England
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4 Nov 2014 15:20 |
This may be her death.
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Harriet Knowles Name: Harriet Knowles Birth Date: abt 1884 Date of Registration: Jun 1961 Age at Death: 77 Registration district: Farnworth Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10c Page: 181
and her probate (if it is her!)
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Harriet Knowles Name: Harriet Knowles Probate Date: 20 Jul 1961 Death Date: 5 Jun 1961 Death Place: Bolton Registry: London, England
of 24 Wyndham Avenue, Bolton, widow died at Bolton District General Hospital Farnworth Lancs. Probate to Thomas Meehan shop assistant. Effects £1092 9s 3d.
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Nov 2014 15:08 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884 KNOWLES Albert Halliwell Bolton (Mother Maiden Name) SILK HALL/29/95
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909 KNOWLES Albert MALLEY Harriet Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/166/155
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Chris :)
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4 Nov 2014 15:02 |
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription Print transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) HARRIET Last name POTTER Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1861 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ HARRIET POTTER married one of these people WILLIAM MALLEY, JOHN ECKERSLEY Spouse's last name - District BOLTON District number - County Lancashire Country England Volume 8C Page 373
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 4, Moss Court, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Taylor Head Married Male 41 1820 Labourer Puncheston, Suffolk, England Transcription Elizabeth Taylor Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Puncheston, Suffolk, England Transcription Harriet Etten Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1841 Porter Puncheston, Suffolk, England
This has been badly transcribed. Harriet POTTER is the niece of John and Elizabeth. She is a cotton winder and they all come from Runcorn, Cheshire.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 25, Charles Street, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Mally Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1839 Cotton Dyer Ireland Transcription Patrick Mally Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 House Painter Ireland
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4 Nov 2014 15:00 |
Thank you. Albert's story is coming together beautifully. The cycle accident rings a faint bell in the dim recesses of my memory. I wasn't around at the time but later, as a small child, I vaguely remember mention of it. My father (Albert's nephew) was also a cyclist. The wealthy widow Harriet doesn't seem to have remarried? At least, I can't find her, or her death. Maybe she retired somewhere warm. And I wonder what became of her wealth? As far as I know, my father had none of it. Perhaps it went to her siblings' children.
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4 Nov 2014 14:14 |
???? for Harriet.
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 170, Blackhorse Street, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William O'Malley Head Married Male 60 1841 Grocer (Shopkeeper) Ireland Transcription Harriet O'Malley Wife Married Female 57 1844 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Eliz O'Malley Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Cotton Frame Tenter Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Enes O'Malley Son Single Male 25 1876 Labourer (General) Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Peter O'Malley Son Single Male 22 1879 Carpenter Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Sarah O'Malley Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Tobacco Spinner Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription >>Harriet O'Malley Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Tobacco Spinner Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Clara O'Malley Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Cotton Winder Bolton, Lancashire, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 170, Blackhorse Street, Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Malley Head Married Male 40 1841 Provision Dealer Ireland Transcription Harriett Malley Wife Married Female 37 1844 Housekeeper Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Walter Malley Son Single Male 19 1862 Plumber Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription James Malley Son Single Male 16 1865 Iron Turner Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Malley Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Cotton Weaver Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription William Malley Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Malley Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Anne Malley Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Aeneas Malley Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Agnes Malley Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Peter Malley Son Single Male 2 1879 - Bolton, Lancashire, England Transcription Clara Malley Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Bolton, Lancashire, England
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Blackhorse Street, Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Malley Head - Male 34 1837 provisions dealer - Ireland Transcription Harriett Malley Wife - Female 29 1842 - Cheshire, England Transcription Walter Malley Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England Transcription James Malley Son - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Malley Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England Transcription William Malley Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Malley Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
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4 Nov 2014 14:06 |
Right, so to establish some facts.
YOUR Albert was not baptised in 1899, that was the son of Isaac and Sarah Alice.
This is your Albert's death.
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) ALBERT Last name KNOWLES Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1885 Age 52 Death quarter 1 Death year 1937 District BOLTON County Lancashire Volume 8C Page 431
which makes his birth one of these.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Knowles Name: Albert Knowles Registration Year: 1884 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bolton Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 367
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Knowles Name: Albert Knowles Registration Year: 1885 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bolton Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 395
We think he married Harriet.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Knowles Name: Albert Knowles Registration Year: 1909 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Bolton Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 761 Records on Page: Name Emma Dutson Albert Knowles Thomas Luby >>Harriet Malley
which would make this the 1911 for them.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 431 Tonge Moor Road Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Albert Knowles Head Married Male 27 1884 Bolton Lancashire Assurance Agent Life Transcription Harriet Knowles Wife Married Female 27 1884 Bolton Lancashire Winster Cotton Mill
They had been married for a year and a half.
The marriage certificate is the one you need to prove he is your Albert.
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Empey
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4 Nov 2014 09:03 |
1911. Definitely not the right family. This is the one that produced the Albert who married into the Eckersley family (witness Edwin K).
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Empey
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4 Nov 2014 09:00 |
On the other hand, his father was Isaac K, who features on the other marriage record. You are right. I must send for some certificates.
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4 Nov 2014 08:56 |
The newspaper report is the Albert K I am looking for. He was living at that address when he registered the death of his sister Sarah Caroline in 1928. I have her death cert. Thank you.
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alviegal
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3 Nov 2014 21:05 |
This is his baptism that you have.
Baptism: 12 Mar 1899 St Mark, Bolton, Lancashire, England Albert Knowles - [Child] of Isaac Knowles & Sarah Alice Abode: 121 Crescent Road Occupation: Minder Baptised by: Edwin Wolfe Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 17, Entry 135 Source: LDS Film 1966169
Could this be his marriage?
Marriage: 5 Jan 1924 All Souls, Bolton, Lancashire, England Albert Knowles - 24, Metal Turner, Bachelor, 15 Anson St Ethel Eckersley - 23, Hospital Nurse, Spinster, 39 Walnut St Groom's Father: Isaac Knowles, Cotton Spinner Witness: Edwin Knowles; Ellen Nelson Married by Banns by: J.H.Martin Vicar Register: Marriages 1915 - 1936, Page 121, Entry 242 Source: LDS Film 2148014
To remind us, here is the 1911.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 31 Ulleswater St Astley Bridge Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Isaac Knowles Head Married Male 51 1860 Lancashire Bolton Self- Actor Minder Transcription Sarah Alice Knowles Wife Married Female 49 1862 Lancashire Bolton - Transcription Annie Knowles Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Lancashire Bolton Frame Tenter Transcription Thomas Knowles Son Single Male 20 1891 Lancashire Bolton Piecer Transcription Edwin Knowles Son Single Male 18 1893 Lancashire Bolton Piecer Transcription Joseph Knowles Son Single Male 16 1895 Lancashire Bolton Piecer Transcription Albert Knowles Son - Male 12 1899 - School
EDIT This is the wrong Albert and family.
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3 Nov 2014 20:41 |
Not sure if this pertains to your Albert. You thought he might have married Harriet. This is probably for the death that you found.
"..action in which Harriot Knowles, of Tongemoor-road. Bolton. had claimed damages under the Fatal Accident Act from Paul Muller, Hampton-road, Blackpool, in respect of the death of her husbano, Albert Knowles, clothing club proprietor. Knowles, while riding 10 July 1937 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England
Basically she received £922 10s and costs. Albert had been knocked down and fatally injured by Muller in his car, whilst out riding on his bike.
This is his probate.
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Albert Knowles Name: Albert Knowles Probate Date: 19 Feb 1937 Death Date: 30 Dec 1936 Death Place: Lancashire, England Registry: Manchester, England
of 445 Tongemoor Rd, died at Bolton Royal Infirmary. Administration to Harriet widow. Effects £681 5s 7d.
I really think you need to invest in some certificates to find out if this is your Albert.
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Empey
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3 Nov 2014 20:06 |
Corrections: Albert K was baptised 12 March 1899. On 11 Sept 1928 he reg. the death of his sister Sarah Caroline.
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