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Thanks Mavis for marriage of Eliza Magner. I think i have to get subscription to ancestry as there are family trees for her on there and also photographs
Sandra

Andrew and Eliza Marriage


Name:
Andrew Dalagan

Spouse:
Eliza Magner

Record Type:
Marriage

Event Date:
10 Jan 1858

Parish:
St Mary, Newington

Borough:
Southwark

Father Name:
John Dalagan

Spouse Father:
Patrick Magner

Register Type:
Parish Register
Mavis

Hi I wondered if anyone could help please with ancestry as Potty said that there is a tree on ancestry which has Andrew Dalligan and Eliza Magner as parents of Lawrence Dalligan, my gt gt grandfather and also banns for their marriage. Does anyone please have subscription for ancestry
Thanks
Sandra

Remember Sandra that back then birthdates were probably less known about as it is before registration, so being 'out' by a few years is not unusual at all. Particularly given the circumstances in Ireland at the time.

Not to mention that often people knocked off or added on a few years when they married lol, my gt gt knocked 6 years off his age when he remarried someone half his actual age.

Thanks Rambling Rose. My Andrew Dalligan great great grandfather was born 1827c Tipperary on 1881 census and was living Southwark with son Lawrence Dalligan 1863. Andrew's father on his marriage certificate was John Dalligan, born 1818c. I cant see which of them were in prison by their birthdates but maybe its relatives of my direct ancestors. Thanks for all your help
Sandra

No idea on that "Ex" I'm afraid,

you might be interested in the Clonmel Workhouse

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Clonmel/

Hi Rambling Rose
Thank you so much for all the information, I didnt know the Dalligans had been to prison or workhouse. All very interesting. The one on Andy Dalligan, prisoner at Clonmel, what does it mean please - offense - Ex?
Thanks Sandra

Just for ref while I see it

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
DALLIGAN Lawrence Parker St . Olave 1d 361
Parker Annie E Dalligan St.Olave 1d 361

then Annie E as widow remarries

Name: Annie Elizabeth Dalligan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age: 37
Spouse: Alfred Owen
Spouse Age: 47
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Mar 1919
Parish: St Crispin, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Dalligan <<< William Parker on image.
Spouse Father: William Owen
Register Type: Parish Register

I think this is Eleanor/Ellen's marriage

Name: Walter Benjamin Mead
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 21
Spouse: Ellen Rebecca Daligan
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 May 1893
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William James Mead
Spouse Father: Laurence Daligan <<<<cooper
Register Type: Parish Register

sister Mary is a witness

age is out but still a possible, occupation is correct

1881
Laurence Daligan
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Margaret Daligan
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipperary, Ireland
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 42 George Row
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Cooper
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 564
Folio: 85
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Laurence Daligan 40
Margaret Daligan 36
Mary C. Daligan 13
Eleanor B. Daligan 11
John Daligan 7
Elizabeth Daligan 4
Laurence Daligan 2
Daniel Daligan

Name: Laurence Delegance
Spouse: Margaret Shea
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Feb 1863
Parish: Holy Trinity, Hounslow
Borough: Hounslow
Register Type: Parish Register

Oddly no fathers names given on the two marriages on the image.

age of that one is not far out from this Lawrence, also a cooper.

Name: Lawrence Dalagan
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipperary, Ireland
Civil Parish: Southwark St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 332
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cummings 27
Catherine Cummings 40
Thomas Cummings 3
William Cummings 4
Lawrence Dalagan 30 <<<<< 26 on image

possibly related? Edit...possibly a mistranscription of laurence?

Name: Lauce Dalligan
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1852
Event Place: Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Age: 15
Birth Year (Estimated): 1837
Prison: Clonmel
Offense: Abscond Poor House
County: Tipperary

?

Name: Andy Dalligan
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1852
Event Place: Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Age: 13
Birth Year (Estimated): 1839
Prison: Clonmel
Offense: Ex
County: Tipperary

Name: Andw Dalligan
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1852
Event Place: Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Age: 14
Birth Year (Estimated): 1838
Prison: Clonmel
Offense: Abscond Poor House
County: Tipperary

Just a guess that the two are related ( edit: must be related, same charge, same date same sheep!)


Name: John Daligan
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Age: 55
Birth Year (Estimated): 1796
Prison: Clonmel
Offense: Staling Sheep
Victim's Name: John P Watson
County: Tipperary


Name: Andrew Daligan
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Age: 11
Birth Year (Estimated): 1840
Prison: Clonmel
Offense: Staling Sheep
Victim's Name: John P Watson
County: Tipperary

There are no censuses for Ireland at that time ( a few fragments but the rest were destroyed) so church records need to be looked at,

on Family search there is this entry?

Name: Andrew Dalligan
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1852
Event Place: Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Prison: Clonmel
Offense: Absconding From The Workhouse Taking With Them Clothes
County: Tipperary

I wondered if anyone could help me with Ireland census for 1841 and 1851 for Andrew Dalligan born 1827c Tipperary who married Eliza Magner born 1832 Cork. They married Newington, London 1858. On marriage certificate it has John Dalligan as father of Andrew. Thank you
Sandra

Thank you very much all of you who helped with all this info
Sandra

Given the POBs and occupation, all these Deligan families must surely be related!

Not finding Eliza before her marriage. This looks like the Magner family in 1871:


1871 England Census
Thomas Maynor
[Thomas Magner]

Age:41
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1830
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Catherine Maynor
Mother's name:Fredy Hennessy Looks like Judy on image
Where born:Cork, Ireland

Thomas Maynor 41
Catherine Maynor 43 b Cork
Mary Maynor 17
David Mayner 13
Timothy Mayner 9
Thomas Mayner 6
Fredy Hennessy 72 b Cork; shown as unmarried; could possibly be Mary's mother.

Living in the same street (York Street, Southwark) are this family:

Denis Deligan 40 b Tipperary, Cooper
Mary Deligan 41 b Cork
Patrick Deligan 10 b London
Julia Deligan 6
Denis Deligan 3