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10 Oct 2014 15:44 |
1901 England Census about Caroline Johnson Name:Caroline Johnson Age:59 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1842 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Female Birth Place: Romford, Essex, England Civil Parish:Romford Ecclesiastical parish:St Edward Town:Collier Row County/Island:Essex Country:England Household Members
Caroline Johnson 59 (Widow) Lilliy Johnson 17 Dorothey Johnson 15 Annie Johnson 24 Adeline Johnson 3 (Grandaughter) Edgar Johnson 1 (Grandson)
1911 England Census about Caroline Johnson Name:Caroline Johnson Age in 1911: 67 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1844 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Female Birth Place:Collier Row, Essex Civil Parish:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Street address:5 Brookside Cottage, Collier Row Nr Romford Marital Status:Widowed Registration district:Romford Registration District Number:191 Sub-registration district:Romford
Household Members:
Caroline Johnson 67 Lily Maud Johnson 27 Adeline Constance Johnson 13 (12 children born.......6 living, 6 had died)
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Caroline Johnson Name:Caroline Johnson Birth Date:abt 1845 Date of Registration:Dec 1921 Age at Death:76 Registration district:Romford Inferred County:Essex Volume:4a Page:481
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10 Oct 2014 15:32 |
1891 England Census about William Johnson Name:William Johnson Age:56 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1835 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Caroline Johnson Gender:Male Where born:Leicestershire, England Civil Parish:Romford Ecclesiastical parish:Romford St Edward Town:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Household Members:
William Johnson 56 (Agricultural Labourer) Caroline Johnson 47 Caroline Emily Johnson 12 Alice Elnor Johnson 10 Lillie M Johnson 7 Rosina M Johnson 5 Edgar J Johnson 1
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10 Oct 2014 15:18 |
Ooops, I missed your post Chris.
Well that's that sorted then!!
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10 Oct 2014 15:15 |
I think this might be the marriage and Elizabeth's name appears as Emma Elizabeth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Emma Elizabeth Johnson Name:Emma Elizabeth Johnson Registration Year:1889 Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun Registration district:St George Hanover Square Inferred County:London Volume:1a Page:791
Emma Elizabeth Johnson Walter Summers
It also fits with Elizabeth's death registration.
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10 Oct 2014 15:01 |
(possibly below)
Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnson Emma Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 791 SUMMERS Walter St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 791
1891 (Find My Past) Walter Summers Head Married Male 25 1866 Police Constable Brackley, Northamptonshire, England Elizabeth E Summers Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Romford, Essex, England Emily E Summers Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Pimlico, Middlesex, England Walter W Summers Son - Male 0 1891 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England Frederick W Johnson Boarder - Male 14 1877 Errand Boy Romford, Essex, England Street Smith Terrace Parish Chelsea County London Registration district Chelsea Archive reference RG12 Piece number 63 Folio 96 Page 55
Chris :)
Westminster Marriages Transcription (Find My Past) First name(s) WALTER Last name SUMMERS (Police Constable) Marriage year 1889 Marriage day 05 Marriage month May Parish St Michael, Chester Square Spouse's first name(s) EMMA ELIZABETH Spouse's last name JOHNSON Groom's age 23 Bride's age 24 County Middlesex Record set Westminster Marriages (Father, John Summers, Miller, her Father, William Johnson, Labourer. Wits. William Johnson, Sissie Sprules)
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10 Oct 2014 14:26 |
Going back to the 1891 census posted ealier........
Walters wife..... Elizabeth E Summers born 1865 Romford, Essex
Son Walter William Summers baptism
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Walter William Summers Name:Walter William Summers Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:5 Apr 1891 Father's Name:Walter Summers Mother's name:Elizabeth Emma Summers <<<<<<
On the 1891 census is Boarder......Frederick W Johnson 1877 Romford Essex
I think this is Elizabeth Emma on the 1881 census and Frederick W Johnson is her brother.........
1871 England Census about Elizabeth E Johnson Name:Elizabeth E Johnson Age:6 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865 Relation:Daughter Father's Name:William Johnson Mother's name:Caroline Johnson Gender:Female Where born:Romford, Essex, England Civil Parish:Romford Ecclesiastical parish:St Edward Town:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Registration district:Romford Sub-registration district:ROMFORD Household Members:
William Johnson 34 Caroline Johnson 26 Thomas E Johnson 9 Elizabeth E Johnson 6 Eliza L Johnson 3 William J Johnson 1
The same family in 1881 with a brother Frederick...
(Elizabeth is in another household working as a Servant)
1881 England Census about Frederick Johnson Name:Frederick Johnson Age:4 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1877 Relationship to Head:Son Father:William Johnson Mother:Caroline Johnson Gender:Male Where born:Romford, Essex, England Civil Parish:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Street address:Collier Row Sun Cottages No 2 William Johnson 45 Caroline Johnson 37 Thomas Johnson 18 Eliza Johnson 13 William Johnson 11 Frederick Johnson 4 <<<<<<< Caroline Johnson 2
(Frederick is not with his parents on the 1891 census)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth Emma Johnson Name:Elizabeth Emma Johnson Registration Year:1865 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district:Romford Inferred County:Essex Volume:4a Page:108
Births Dec 1876 (>99%) Johnson Frederick Walter Romford 4a 179
?? Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%) Summers Elizabeth Emma 31 St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 311
There does not appear to be a marriage for Elizabeth Emma Johnson to Walter.
Having said that, there does not appear to be an appropriate marriage for Walter to an Elizabeth E......... anyone!
You might need to purchase the marriage cert to see what marital status it gives for Walter when he married Fanny.
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10 Oct 2014 12:55 |
Hi Joyce do you have rough dates for her and I will have a look for you PP :-)
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10 Oct 2014 12:23 |
Hello everyone
Thank you all so very much, have nearly all the info I need. There is another mystery person who lived with my husband's father George and his brother Herbert, sons of Walter and Fanny. I am trying to find out who she was, she was Cis Summers, could she have been from Walter's first marriage. Will keep trying.
Regards all.
Joyce
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8 Oct 2014 13:37 |
Hello Joyce and welcome to the Community boards.
(I'll let Joyce know how to find her replies) :-)
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7 Oct 2014 20:51 |
Reference: MEPO 4/354/71192 Name: Walter Summers. Warrant Number: 71192. Date of Joining: 11 February 1886.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14171027
(possibly him above)
Chris :)
http://www.metpolicehistory.co.uk/met-police-family-history.html
(useful if warrant number known)
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7 Oct 2014 20:29 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street CHURCH STREET Parish CHELSEA Town LONDON City County London Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District ST LUKE Enumeration District 4 Municipal Ward STANLEY Parliamentary Borough CHELSEA Registration District CHELSEA Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name MARY ANN Last Name ARMFIELD Birth Year 1851 Age 40 Birth County Devon Birth Town Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Female Occupation LIVING ON OWN MEANS Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG12 Folio 140 Page 20 Piece Number 58
Person 2
First Name FANNY Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1874 Age 17 Birth County Sussex Birth Town Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household SERVANT Gender Female Occupation GENERAL SERVANT Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG12 Folio 140 Page 20 Piece Number 58
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7 Oct 2014 20:26 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street Parish BARNHAM Town City County Sussex Country ENGLAND Registration District WESTHAMPNETT Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name WILLIAM Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1824 Age 57 Birth Place England Birth Town Eastergate Birth County Sussex Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Male Occupation AGR LABOURER Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG11 Folio 71 Page 14 Piece Number 1125
Person 2
First Name LOUISA Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1831 Age 50 Birth Place England Birth Town Milland Birth County Hampshire Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender Female Occupation Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG11 Folio 71 Page 14 Piece Number 1125
Person 3
First Name JAMES Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1861 Age 20 Birth Place England Birth Town Walberton Birth County Sussex Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation AGR LABOURER Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 71 Page 14 Piece Number 1125
Person 4
First Name EMMA MARY ANN Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1869 Age 12 Birth Place England Birth Town Barnham Birth County Sussex Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation SCHOLAR Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 71 Page 14 Piece Number 1125
Person 5
First Name GEORGE Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1872 Age 9 Birth Place England Birth Town Barnham Birth County Sussex Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation SCHOLAR Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 71 Page 14 Piece Number 1125
Person 6
First Name FANNY Last Name FARENDEN Birth Year 1874 Age 7 Birth Place England Birth Town Barnham Birth County Sussex Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation SCHOLAR Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 71 Page 14 Piece Number 1125
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7 Oct 2014 20:21 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street ASTWELL Parish ASTWELL & FALCUTT Town City County Northamptonshire Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District Enumeration District 1 Municipal Ward Parliamentary Borough Registration District BRACKLEY Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Person 1
First Name JOHN HIGHAM Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1841 Age 30 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 2
First Name HANNAH Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1833 Age 38 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Female Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 3
First Name ARTHUR J Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1861 Age 10 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SON Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 4
First Name EMILY L Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1863 Age 8 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Female Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 5
First Name ALBERT E Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1864 Age 7 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SON Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 6
First Name WALTER Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1866 Age 5 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SON Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 7
First Name HARRY Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1868 Age 3 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SON Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 8
First Name HERBERT Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1869 Age 2 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SON Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 9
First Name PRICE WILLIAM Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1871 Age 0 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SON Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
Person 10
First Name JOSEPH Last Name SECKINGTON Birth Year 1855 Age 16 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Gender Male Relationship To Head of Household SERVANT Occupation Condition Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG10 Folio 14 Page 6 Piece Number 1469
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7 Oct 2014 20:19 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street Parish ASTWELL AND FALCOTT Town City County Northamptonshire Country ENGLAND Registration District BRACKLEY Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name JOHN HIGHAM Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1840 Age 41 Birth Place England Birth Town Slapton Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Male Occupation CORN MILLER EMPLOYING 2 MEN & 1 BOY Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 2
First Name HANNAH Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1833 Age 48 Birth Place England Birth Town Helmdon Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender Female Occupation Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 3
First Name ARTHUR JOHN Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1861 Age 20 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation CORN MILLER Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 4
First Name EMILY Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1863 Age 18 Birth Place England Birth Town Helmdon Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation MILLER DAUR Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 5
First Name EDWARD Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1864 Age 17 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation CORN MILLER Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 6
First Name WALTER Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1866 Age 15 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation CORN MILLER Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 7
First Name HERBERT Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1869 Age 12 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation SCHOLAR Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
Person 8
First Name PRYCE Last Name SUMMERS Birth Year 1871 Age 10 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Northamptonshire Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation SCHOLAR Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG11 Folio 4 Page 1 Piece Number 1533
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7 Oct 2014 13:32 |
The son James in 1911........
1911 England Census about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Age in 1911:51 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Walberton, Sussex Civil Parish:Barcombe County/Island:Sussex Country:England Street address:The Village The Street Barcombe Sussex Marital Status:Married >>>>21 Years....9 children born and living Occupation:Railway Porter L B & s C Registration district:Lewes Sub-registration district:Chailey
Household Members:
James Farenden 51 Mary Farenden 45 William James Farenden 14 Kate Farenden 12 Annie Farenden 10 Edith Mary Farenden 8 George Farenden 5 Sydney Farenden 3 Rose Ethel Farenden 6/12
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Gender:Male Baptism Date:7 Oct 1860 Baptism Place:Walberton,Sussex,England Father: William Farenden Mother: Louisa
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Registration Year:1860 Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district:Westhampnett Inferred County:Sussex Volume:2b Page:284
The family in 1871.......
1871 England Census about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Age:10 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1861 Relation:Son Father's Name:Wm Farenden Mother's name:Louisa Farenden Gender:Male Where born:Walberton, Sussex, England Civil Parish:Barnham Ecclesiastical parish:Chichester Town:Barnham County/Island:Sussex Country:England Registration district:Westhampnett Sub-registration district:Yapton Household Members:
Wm Farenden 44 Louisa Farenden 31 James Farenden 10 Rosa Farenden 7 Kate Farenden 4 Elizth Mary Ann Farenden 2 Wm Blunden 67 (Father in Law) Widower
1861 England Census about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Age:8/12 Estimated Birth Year:1860 Relation:Son Father's Name:William Farenden Mother's name:Louisa Farenden Gender:Male Where born:Walberton, Sussex, England Civil Parish:Walberton County/Island:Sussex Country:England Registration district:Westhampnett Sub-registration district:Yapton
Household Members:
William Farenden 33 Louisa Farenden 27 James Farenden 8/12
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Birth Date:abt 1860 Date of Registration:Sep 1920 Age at Death:60 Registration district:Lewes Inferred County:Sussex Volume:2b Page:185
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about James Farenden Name:James Farenden Probate Date:21 Oct 1920 Death Date:9 Sep 1920 Death Place:Sussex, England Registry:Lewes
Of Barcombe Sussex
To Mary Farenden widow
Effects: £302 19s 9d
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7 Oct 2014 13:28 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about William Farenden Name:William Farenden Estimated Birth Year:abt 1825 Registration Year:1898 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death:73 Registration district:Westhampnett Inferred County:Sussex Volume:2b Page:239
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Louisa Farenden Name:Louisa Farenden Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840 Registration Year:1900 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death:60 Registration district:Westhampnett Inferred County:Sussex Volume:2b Page:221
England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 about Louisa Farenden Name:Louisa Farenden Gender:Female Burial Date:6 Dec 1900 Burial Place:Yapton, Sussex, England
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Louisa Farenden Name:Louisa Farenden Probate Date:14 Jan 1901 Death Date:3 Dec 1900 Death Place:Sussex, England Registry:London, England
Of Yapton Sussex....widow
To James Farenden railway porter
Effects: £209 16s 8d
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7 Oct 2014 13:16 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about William Farenden Name:William Farenden Registration Year:1860 Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district:Westhampnett Inferred County:Sussex Volume:2b Page:449
Records on Page:
Louisa Blunden William Farenden
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7 Oct 2014 13:01 |
Says on 1911 census they have been married for 12 years so possible previous marriage for walter to Elizabeth e
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7 Oct 2014 12:59 |
1881 England Census about Fanny Farenden Name:Fanny Farenden Age:7 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1874 Relationship to Head:Daughter Father:William Farenden Mother:Louisa Farenden Gender:Female Where born:Barnham, Sussex, England Civil Parish:Barnham County/Island:Sussex Country:England Street address:Barnham Mill Occupation:Scholar Registration district:Westhampnett Sub-registration district:Yapton
Household Members:
William Farenden 57 Eastergate Sussex Louisa Farenden 50 James Farenden 20 Emma Mary Ann Farenden 12 George Farenden 9 Fanny Farenden 7
1891 England Census about William Farenden Name:William Farenden Age:64 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1827 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Louisa Farenden Gender:Male Where born:Eastergate, Sussex, England Civil Parish:Yapton Ecclesiastical parish:Yapton Town:Yapton County/Island:Sussex Country:England Household Members:
William Farenden 64 Louisa Farenden 50 George Farenden 19
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about William Farrenden Name:William Farrenden Gender:Male Baptism Date:15 Oct 1826 Baptism Place:Eastergate,Sussex,England Father: James Farrenden Mother: Emma
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7 Oct 2014 12:57 |
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Fanny Farrenden Name:Fanny Farrenden Gender:Female Baptism Date:30 Nov 1873 Baptism Place:Barnham,Sussex,England Father:William Farrenden Mother: Louisa
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Fanny Farenden Name:Fanny Farenden Registration Year:1873 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district:Westhampnett Inferred County:Sussex Volume:2b Page:343
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