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Hi everyone,
I'm looking for the birth of my gg grandfather, Jehu Morris - Born: abt 1840, Dilton Marsh, Westbury, Wiltshire.
I have been looking for absolutely ages with no success, so if anyone could help I would appreciate it very much.

Thank you in advance ??

so for the info of us who know nothing about him :-)


1851

Name: John Morris
[Jehu Morris]
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel Morris
Mother's name: Elizabeth Morris
Where born: Dilton Marsh, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Westbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Registration district: Westbury

Samuel Morris 48
Elizabeth Morris 42
Virtue Morris 13
John Morris 10

do you know the person who made the correction to the transcription of his name at Ancestry in 2010?

apparently that person is active on Ancestry daily so if you sent a message via that system it should reach them, if you are not already in touch

aha, and he and two others here at Genes Reunited have Jehu in their trees (but you don't!) ... are you in touch with them as well?


is this the family in 1841 in Westbury?

Saml Morris 30
Mary Morris 30
Sarah Morris 15
Jemuel Morris 13
Salitha Morris 9 (I would read Tabitha)
Sinta Morris 4
Jehu Morris 1

(oops sorry Andrew I was editing to add that)


it seems Elizabeth in 1851 was a second wife of Samuel?

Marriages Jun 1846 ?
Morris Samuel Westbury &c 8 777

two possible brides Elizabeth

1841


1841 England Census
about Jehu Morris

Name:Jehu Morris
Age:1
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840
Gender:Male
Where born:Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish:Westbury
Hundred:Westbury
County/Island:Wiltshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image

Registration district:Westbury
Sub-registration district:Westbury
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:1188
Book:2
Folio:48
Page Number:30
Household Members:
Name
Age
Saml Morris 30
Mary Morris 30
Sarah Morris 15
Jemuel Morris 13
Salitha Morris 9
Sinta Morris 4
Jehu Morris 1

Andy

There is a photo here

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/12880579/person/-163717727/mediax/13174dbd-db4e-43e6-911a-21f19bba1500?pg=32768&pgpl=pid

Andy

that's the Ancestry user I was referring to but when I looked at the user profile it didn't show a tree :-S

here is what the tree says about Jehu

Birth Dec 1840 in Dilton Marsh Westbury Wiltshire England

so I wonder where that info comes from ... it doesn't quite match with age 1 in 1841


the tree does show Samuel Morris having three wives
Mary Brown
Elizabeth Hall
Mary Wheeler

(and Talitha might be a name after all ...)

Thank you JoonieCloonie :-)

I have found Jehu in most of the census' on here but was confused as to why some people have him down as John on their tree. I have tried to contact one person about this but have had no reply as yet.
As far as I am aware, after speaking with family, and due to Jehu's son, my great grandfather being named George Jehu Morris, I have been led to believe that My gg grandfather Is named Jehu, not John. Indeed most of the searches on here have him named Jehu, which is why I'm getting a bit confused.
I don't know the person who has made changes to the transcription of his name at Ancestry in 2010 and so it is great to hear that this person is active on Ancestry daily - Thank you for this information. Hopefully I will be able to contact them and find out a bit more :-)
I've started my family tree from scratch after my making many, many stupid mistakes in my last one which is why I'm being over cautious this time around. Hence not much information in this current tree at the moment.

Thank you once again for your help :-)

Thank you for you help also, Andrew. I have found all the above information in my own searches, along with the photo. And it is also this person with the photo that I have tried to contact. :-)

Just worried whether I am supposed to be looking for a Jehu Morris, or a John Morris in births?

being cautious is the best thing to be!

people who have him as John have almost certainly just copied the information from the transcription of the census somewhere ... or just as likely from the tree of someone who copied it from the transcription of the census somewhere ... so it's an indication they're not closely related and are just negligent ... it's quite common, an ancestor of mine's brother Tom appears in trees all over as Tam


but I'm wondering about this Jehu / John mistranscription thing

obviously in some cases it is mistranscription by people who have never heard of 'Jehu' (like me ...)

this is interesting

at familysearch there are two births shown as being from the GRO index with name Jehu

Jehu Bigwood Sep quarter 1839 Westbury
Jehu Badmington Sep quarter 1839 Westbury
(registered 1 page apart)

but at freebmd they are both shown as John

so I wondered

Births Sep 1840
MORRIS John Westbury 8 402

and Ancestry shows a second John Morris in the same district the next quarter, that freebmd doesn't ... vol 8 p 402

oh here's the &%$# problem ... 10 minutes of hunting around later ... it's the same entry, it's in Sep Q, and Ancestry has it as being in both Sep Q and Dec Q and the link for the later one goes to a non-existent entry on the image


so ... it definitely says John on the original ... but is it possible that he was baptised Jehu or called that in the family but registered John?

there doesn't seem to be a John Morris in Westbury reg dist in 1841 to match, which isn't conclusive but then proving a negative never is


oh yes, my head ... what I was actually doing was looking at Ancestry for those 'Jehu' births in 1840 to see what the images really say

Bigwood does look like Jehu - the e doesn't look like the o in other Johns on the page

(it can be so difficult to distinguish olde fashioned n from u that this is a tough one)

Badmington I might come down on the side of Jehu again

Jehu Bigwood, one later record: marriage 1863 in Marylebone
Jehu Badmington, no more records ... but Jehu Badminton who is surely him married in 1862 and died in 1908

so those two do seem to be Jehu mistranscribed by freebmd as John
while the John Morris in 1840 looks like John

but ... it is always possible it was mistransribed from the birth certificate or local register itself!

so I would be tempted to get that John Morris 1840 birth certificate


edit, I forgot, familysearch also has Jehu Say 1840 Westbury

freebmd and Ancestry have him as John Say ... and I say the image says Jehu

so that's another mistranscribed Jehu, the problem being that the John Morris 1840 does seem to say John in the index image, but I think it could still be worth checking the certificate


... except that no, now I see that John Morris in censuses ... in 1851 in Shropshire where his place of birth is entered as 'Westbury ditto' to 'Salop' and later in Middlesex ... so apparently not your man ...

Thanks once again JoonieCloonie :-)

This one is definitely proving difficult - Has done for ages and it is such a pain not being able to get any further on this line :-(
I too have noted the possible mistakes in transcribing. It really is a dilemma for me! Hoping to receive a reply from the man on Ancestry at some point, maybe he can shed some light on the matter.

I think you're right though, I'm going to order the John Morris 1840 certificate.

Oh!
Your last bit of info to me is not what I wanted to hear!...lol

Looking at the image I would say his name is written as 'Jehu', not John


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:John Morris Bootmaker

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840

Age:21

Spouse:Eliza Mary Jaques

Spouse Age:22

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:17 Mar 1861

Parish:Holy Trinity, Paddington

Borough:Westminster

Father Name:Samuel Morris Bootmaker (Deceased)

Spouse Father:Thomas Jaques Coachman

Register Type:Parish Register

Wit: Henry? & Sarah Mulloy

The 1911 census is transcribed as 'John' but on the image it is 'Jehu' and as this is his own entry, it looks like he knew his name!

His death also shows as 'Jehu'



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Jehu Morris

Birth Date:abt 1841

Date of Registration:Mar 1922

Age at Death:81

Registration district:Hendon

Inferred County:Middlesex

Volume:3a

Page:475

Another image that has 'Jehu' and it defo is correct on the image



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:George Jehu Morris

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878

Age:26

Spouse:Stella Maud Whitford

Spouse Age:20

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:24 Dec 1904

Parish:Christ Church, Notting Hill

Borough:Kensington and Chelsea

Father Name:Jehu Morris Bootmaker

Spouse Father:Walter Henry Whitford

Register Type:Parish Register

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Births Mar 1876

MORRIS George Jehu Kensington 1a 169

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
MORRIS Jehu Westbury History Centre (Mother Maiden Name. BROWN) WEST/2/290

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(from above if any use)

Chris :)


Providence Chapel Sunday School

The below is a list of children attending Providence Chapel Sunday School when the school began in 1837.

Jehu Morris 6, son of Samuel Morris of Marsh, began March 1846, moved to London

http://www.dilton-marsh.org.uk/research/prov_ssreg.php


Records of Providence Chapel.

Morris. Brown. Mary. N/K. Morris. Samuel. 1823. 31-Mar.

http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Dilton/Dilton%20Marsh%20-%20Vital%20records%20of%20some%20Providence%20Chapel%20members.pdf

(also relating year 1834)

England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 (Ancestry)

Name: James Morris
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1824
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Samuel Morris
Mother: Mary Brown
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1824
Baptism Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 2742: Westbury, Old Meeting (Independent), 1779-1837


Name: Sarah Morris
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1826
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Samuel Morris
Mother: Mary Brown
Baptism Date: 14 May 1826
Baptism Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 2742: Westbury, Old Meeting (Independent), 1779-1837


Name: Lemuel Morriss
Birth Date: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Event Type: Burial
Father: Samuel Morriss
Mother: Mary Morriss
Death Date: abt 1831
Death Age: 0 (9mths)
Burial Date: 10 May 1831
Burial Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 3277: Westbury, Old Meeting (Independent), 1785-1818

http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/

(also above)


Wiltshire, England, Marriages, 1538-1837 (Ancestry)

Name: Samuel Morris
Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1823
Parish: Dilton
Marital Status: Bachelor (Single (Male)
Residence: Dilton
Spouse: Mary Brown
Spouse Marital Status: Spinster (Single (Female)
Spouse Residence: of This Parish
Document Type: Banns

Chris :)

Thank you for your help on this, Gins :-)

Hi Chris Ho :-)

Thank you so much for finding this information. It has been very helpful.
I will order Jehu's birth certificate from your link.

:-D

Births Sep 1840
MORRIS John Westbury 8 402

(would say as suggested earlier, worth trying for above Cert.)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/records_office/thread/975650?d=asc

(an old posting, but somebody else with family, Sharon has Virtue in 'Search All Member Trees' (under 'Search' top right of page) if you want to send her a message!)

Re: An older posting.

I am the Sharon that has Virtue in her tree. The post was mine.
Myself, my sister, Nicola, and my mum all contributed to the cost of having a Genes reunited account but the account is in my sisters name - We all use it...lol. Sorry for the confusion.
We started a new account due to silly mistakes we made on other account.

On your link : wiltshire bmd, it gives me a phone number that I can contact re: Jehu Morris' birth certificate. Hopefully they can help further :-)
I will also try : MORRIS John Westbury 8 402 if they are unable to help

Thanks once again Chris Ho

Regards
Sharon

oh!, lol, let's hope they help, and you get sorted!, fingers crossed.

Chris :)

Thanks once again, Chris :-)