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Name: Martha Brown
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 30 Jan 1857
Marriage Place: Langholm,Dumfries,Scotland
Spouse: John Warrwick
FHL Film Number: 6035516


1871

1871 Scotland Census about John Warwick
Name: John Warwick
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Martha A Warwick
Gender: Male
Where born: Langholm, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 839
Registration district: Langholm
Civil Parish: Langholm
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Caroline St
Occupation: Woollen Weaver
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 80
LINE: 14
Roll: CSSCT1871_184
Household Members:
Name Age
John Warwick 35
Martha A Warwick 22 <<< mistranscribed?
Martha A Warwick 9
William Warwick 5
John Warwick 2
Mary Warwick 2

Wonder if his year of birth was wrong?

Bit of a long shot here but looking at the names of his children and considering the Scottish naming pattern..........

Name: William Warwick
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1860
Birth Place: Langholm,Dumfries,Scotland
Father: John Warwick
Mother: Martha Ann Brown
FHL Film Number: 6035516


Remember too that Statutory Registration didn't begin until 1855 in Scotland.

can anyone fine info on the farther and mother of William Warwick born c1853
thankx linda

you lot are brill thanks for all the help

linda

1901 England Census
about William Warwick Name:William Warwick
Age:48
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Elizabeth Warwick
Birth Place:Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Southwick
Ecclesiastical parish:St Columba
Town:Southwick
County/Island:Durham
Country:England

Household Members:

William Warwick 48 (Flint Glassmaker)
Elizabeth Warwick 35
Eliza Warwick 12
Will James Warwick 9
John Warwick 6
Edward Warwick 3

On the 1911 census........William claims his place of birth to be Glasgow, Scotland


1911 England Census
about William Warwick Name:William Warwick
Age in 1911:58
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Glasgow, Scotland
Civil Parish:Sunderland
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:12 Walton Palce Sunderland
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Glass Maker
Registration district:Sunderland
Sub-registration district:Sunderland East

Household Members:

William Warwick 58
Elizbeth Warwick 48
John Warwick 17
Eward Warwick 13
Martha Warwick 10
Francis Warwick 6

Same problem with Margaret E Brown who married Linda's grandfather in 1958.

There are 5 Sunderland births in the year range 1930-1940!

Linda said that Margaret died 15/09/14, so rather than 1914, presumably it was a few days ago, 15 Sep 2014? If this is correct, sorry for your loss.

If you can ask to see a copy of her DC, that will tell you her date of birth. From that we can work out which is the most likely birth reg.

It could be that you'll have to purchase William J and Margaret's MC to get the names of their fathers

??


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about William James Warwick Name:William James Warwick
Gender:Male
Birth Date:19 Nov 1890
Baptism Date:10 Dec 1890
Baptism Place:Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father: William Warwick
Mother: Elizabeth Warwick
FHL Film Number:1514546





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1891 England Census
about William J Warwick Name:William J Warwick
Age:6/12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1890
Relation:Son
Father's Name:William Warwick
Mother's name:Elizabeth Warwick
Gender:Male
Where born:Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish:
Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michaels
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Registration district:Sunderland
Sub-registration district:North Bishop Wearmouth


Household Members:

William Warwick 37 (Glassmaker)
Elizabeth Warwick 27
Eliza Warwick 2
William J Warwick 6/12

Unfortunately, there are 2 Elizabeth Kelly's born in 1893 and 2 born in 1892.

All born in Sunderland!

You beat me to it PH - i was summarising what you posted in a word doc. I'll post anyway.

To summarise what we know and suspect

William James Warwick married Margaret E Brown in 1957

Name: William J Warwick
Spouse Surname: Brown
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1957
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1650

He died in 1997
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about William James Warwick
Name: William James Warwick
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1938
Date of Registration: Nov 1997
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: B55E
District and Subdistrict: 0581B
Entry Number: 287


His birth registration
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about William J Warwick
Name: William J Warwick
Mother's Maiden Surname: Thompson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 906


His eldest sibling was born in 1929 which gives us a clue as to when his parents married. His mother’s maiden name was Thompson

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
________________________________________
Thompson Caroline Warwick Sunderland 10a 1530
Warwick John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1530



If we assume John was about 20 when he married, this could be his birth
Name: John Warwick
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 733


John was born just in time for the 1911 census
Name: John Warwick
Age in 1911: 1/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 5 Sussex St
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration district: Sunderland East
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 30196
Household Members: Name Age
William James Warwick 20 - Father b Sunderland
Elizabeth Warwick 18 - Mother b Sunderland
William Kelly Warwick 1 - b Sunderland
John Warwick 1/12 - b Sunderland

The census says that William James Warwick and Elizabeth have been married for 2 full years.

Their marriage is probably

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
________________________________________
KELLY Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1267
WARWICK William James Sunderland 10a 1267

The fact that one of John’s siblings has Kelly as his middle name lends credence to this.
…………

The parents of William James Warwick 1938 were probably
John Warwick and Caroline Thompson

The parents of John Warwick were probably
William James Warwick c 1891 and Elizabeth Kelly c 1893 both born in Sunderland.


The only way to be absolutely sure is to purchase some of the relevant certificates.

.....................
Linda - please be careful with dates and names as it looks as if you may have confused some of the generations

???


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about John Warwick Name:John Warwick
Spouse Surname: Caroline Thompson
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1929
Registration district:Sunderland
Inferred County:Durham
Volume Number:10a
Page Number:1530

???


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Warwick Name:John Warwick
Registration Year:1911
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Sunderland
Inferred County:Durham
Volume:10a
Page:733



1911 England Census
about John Warwick Name:John Warwick
Age in 1911:1/12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1911
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Sunderland
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:5 Sussex St
Registration district:Sunderland
Registration District Number:555
Sub-registration district:Sunderland East

Household Members:

William James Warwick 20 (Glassmaker)
Elizabeth Warwick 18
William Kelly Warwick 1
John Warwick 1/12

(Married 2 years.........2 children born and living)


Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
KELLY Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1267
WARWICK William James Sunderland 10a 1267


Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Warwick Elizabeth E Kelly Sunderland 10a 1461

no she passed away 15/09/14, so there's no one to ask

but are Margaret and one of her children not living in Sunderland at present?
(or has she died very recently?)

does she not know who her parents in law were, or does her child not know who their grandparents were?

(that child was married to a relation of yours also?)

You need to get the marriage certificate of William and Margaret, as that will have their Fathers' names, for confirmation.

William James Warwick and Margaret Thompson married 1907 looks right

yes sor, we are looking for my husbands family, William Warwick and Margaret Brown were his parents.
we are looking for grandparents names, and yes his gran was Thompson but no one in the family knows their first names

Tells us when you've found their names - Although not conclusive, there is a possible entry for Mstr Warwick aged one month on the 1911 census in Sunderland.

Your William J might have been named after his grandfather

Do you know of this site?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Presumably you made a typo and you have in fact found his brother's and sisters.
The earliest birth shown is for 1929, so we can assume that his parents were married before then.

His mother's maiden name is Thompson.

Select marriages
Warwick in the first surname box, Thompson in the spouse box.
Click Sunderland in the District List
Years say 1925 - 1930
Press enter.

There is one result. Click on the blue number 1530 to show the other names with the same reg nos.
find the Thompson who married a Warwick and the Warwick who married a Thompson. Hey presto, his parents!