Find Ancestors

looking for info on my father's William Warwick DOB around 1935,
married Margaret brown. both families came from Sunderland
both had large families both my parents are now dead so I am unable to ask them
:-)

[Opening para removed as the Q's answered in OP.]

Have you found the registration for their marriage? If so, purchase the certificate from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
That will show his declared age, and the name of his father if known. Witnesses may be relatives.

What else do you know about them?

Have you Searched All Member Trees on this site? If anyone has listed them, send the tree owner a message.

William Warwick, 1938, Sunderland, is in several trees on here.

Worth considering, as 1935 is only an estimate, presumably.

The marriage is listed on www.freebmd.org.uk, 1957 in Sutherland.

His name is shown as William J Warwick and hers as Margaret E Brown....unless this is a different couple?

?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
William James Warwick
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1938 Date of Registration: Nov 1997 Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Sunderland Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: B55E District and Subdistrict: 0581B Entry Number: 287

Have you used free bmd to look for the names of William's siblings - family of around a dozen, finishing with twins?

hi thanks
I have found his sons and daughters, now need help finding his farther and mother

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

with their names, you can search there and find their marriage

this gives you William's middle initial and with that you can find his birth
(a little later than you thought if the one I find is the correct person)


unfortunately, this death record matches what is found on those searches

Name: William James Warwick
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1938
Date of Registration: Nov 1997
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: B55E
District and Subdistrict: 0581B
Entry Number: 287


the question is what info you are looking for ... I hope that information does not cause you distress but without knowing what your relationship is it is hard to know how to approach the question ...

William's birth record tells you his mother's surname, and with that you can search for other births with the same parents


Margaret appears to be still on the electoral roll ..... with someone who appears to be related to you by marriage, so would it be best to contact them for info? or if you are asking on their behalf, let us know in the thread here.

sorry I was interrupted by phone calls while typing that post and events passed me by :-)

'my father's William Warwick'

is that ... your husband's father?

I'm afraid I'm confused by the names ... was your father a child of William and Margaret?

Do you know of this site?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Presumably you made a typo and you have in fact found his brother's and sisters.
The earliest birth shown is for 1929, so we can assume that his parents were married before then.

His mother's maiden name is Thompson.

Select marriages
Warwick in the first surname box, Thompson in the spouse box.
Click Sunderland in the District List
Years say 1925 - 1930
Press enter.

There is one result. Click on the blue number 1530 to show the other names with the same reg nos.
find the Thompson who married a Warwick and the Warwick who married a Thompson. Hey presto, his parents!

Tells us when you've found their names - Although not conclusive, there is a possible entry for Mstr Warwick aged one month on the 1911 census in Sunderland.

Your William J might have been named after his grandfather

yes sor, we are looking for my husbands family, William Warwick and Margaret Brown were his parents.
we are looking for grandparents names, and yes his gran was Thompson but no one in the family knows their first names

William James Warwick and Margaret Thompson married 1907 looks right

You need to get the marriage certificate of William and Margaret, as that will have their Fathers' names, for confirmation.

but are Margaret and one of her children not living in Sunderland at present?
(or has she died very recently?)

does she not know who her parents in law were, or does her child not know who their grandparents were?

(that child was married to a relation of yours also?)

no she passed away 15/09/14, so there's no one to ask

???


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about John Warwick Name:John Warwick
Spouse Surname: Caroline Thompson
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1929
Registration district:Sunderland
Inferred County:Durham
Volume Number:10a
Page Number:1530

???


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Warwick Name:John Warwick
Registration Year:1911
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Sunderland
Inferred County:Durham
Volume:10a
Page:733



1911 England Census
about John Warwick Name:John Warwick
Age in 1911:1/12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1911
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Sunderland
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:5 Sussex St
Registration district:Sunderland
Registration District Number:555
Sub-registration district:Sunderland East

Household Members:

William James Warwick 20 (Glassmaker)
Elizabeth Warwick 18
William Kelly Warwick 1
John Warwick 1/12

(Married 2 years.........2 children born and living)


Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
KELLY Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1267
WARWICK William James Sunderland 10a 1267


Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Warwick Elizabeth E Kelly Sunderland 10a 1461

You beat me to it PH - i was summarising what you posted in a word doc. I'll post anyway.

To summarise what we know and suspect

William James Warwick married Margaret E Brown in 1957

Name: William J Warwick
Spouse Surname: Brown
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1957
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1650

He died in 1997
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about William James Warwick
Name: William James Warwick
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1938
Date of Registration: Nov 1997
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: B55E
District and Subdistrict: 0581B
Entry Number: 287


His birth registration
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about William J Warwick
Name: William J Warwick
Mother's Maiden Surname: Thompson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 906


His eldest sibling was born in 1929 which gives us a clue as to when his parents married. His mother’s maiden name was Thompson

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
________________________________________
Thompson Caroline Warwick Sunderland 10a 1530
Warwick John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1530



If we assume John was about 20 when he married, this could be his birth
Name: John Warwick
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 733


John was born just in time for the 1911 census
Name: John Warwick
Age in 1911: 1/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 5 Sussex St
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration district: Sunderland East
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 30196
Household Members: Name Age
William James Warwick 20 - Father b Sunderland
Elizabeth Warwick 18 - Mother b Sunderland
William Kelly Warwick 1 - b Sunderland
John Warwick 1/12 - b Sunderland

The census says that William James Warwick and Elizabeth have been married for 2 full years.

Their marriage is probably

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
________________________________________
KELLY Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1267
WARWICK William James Sunderland 10a 1267

The fact that one of John’s siblings has Kelly as his middle name lends credence to this.
…………

The parents of William James Warwick 1938 were probably
John Warwick and Caroline Thompson

The parents of John Warwick were probably
William James Warwick c 1891 and Elizabeth Kelly c 1893 both born in Sunderland.


The only way to be absolutely sure is to purchase some of the relevant certificates.

.....................
Linda - please be careful with dates and names as it looks as if you may have confused some of the generations

Unfortunately, there are 2 Elizabeth Kelly's born in 1893 and 2 born in 1892.

All born in Sunderland!

??


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about William James Warwick Name:William James Warwick
Gender:Male
Birth Date:19 Nov 1890
Baptism Date:10 Dec 1890
Baptism Place:Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father: William Warwick
Mother: Elizabeth Warwick
FHL Film Number:1514546





.

1891 England Census
about William J Warwick Name:William J Warwick
Age:6/12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1890
Relation:Son
Father's Name:William Warwick
Mother's name:Elizabeth Warwick
Gender:Male
Where born:Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish:
Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michaels
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Registration district:Sunderland
Sub-registration district:North Bishop Wearmouth


Household Members:

William Warwick 37 (Glassmaker)
Elizabeth Warwick 27
Eliza Warwick 2
William J Warwick 6/12