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Jane Anne Hasbey married 1891 Arthur Hann. I can't find her birth or baptism or entry in 1881 census. She was apparently born Greenwich (in 3 census records) in about 1870.Can anyone help?
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Hello David
Where did Jane Anne and Arthur Hann marry.
Which 3 census records did you find them in please

Sylvia

ThName: Jane Anne Hasbey
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Kingston
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 656
Records on Page:
Name
Arthur Richard Hann
Jane Anne Hasbey
Arthur Stevens
Elizabeth Woodward
is looks like the marriage. Arthur has a middle name of Richard

my immediate suspicion as she is not to be found on earlier censuses or in www.freebmd.org


is that she has a different surname


two options ..........


she was married before she married Arthur, and Hasbey is her married name


OR

her mother married (or re-married) after her birth, and Jane took on the new surname



both can be extremely diffiuclt to find!



I note that there are 4 public trees on ancestry ............ and NONE of them have anything on her before her marriage.



Have you bought her marriage certificate???


That would tell you whether she was a spinster or widowed at the time, AND it would also have her father's name, if she knew it.

Jane Ann Haseby is working as a servant at the same institution as Arthur in 1891, on ancestry if you can access the image she is on page 14 of 14:

Arthur Robert Hann
Age:19
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872
Relation:Servant
Gender:Male
Where born:Verwood, Dorset, England
Civil Parish:Teddington
Ecclesiastical parish:Teddington St Alban
Town:Teddington
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district:Kingston
Sub-registration district:Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel:Normansfield Hampton Wick
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece:618
Folio:115
Page Number:9

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ADDED Jane is recorded as single, laundress born Greenwich - age 19

Just for ref. and because her age does vary:

1901 England Census
Jane A Hann Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female
Spouse: Arthur R Hann
Birth Place: Greenwich Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriels Chapelry and St James Norlands
County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Piece: 23 Folio: 176 Page Number: 41
Household schedule number: 309
Arthur R Hann 28
Jane A Hann 33
Fanny Hann 9
William P Hann 7
Florence M Hann 5
Richard L Hann 4
Arthur A Hann 2
Minnie H Hann 5 Months
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 23; Folio: 176; Page: 41.


1911 England Census
Jane Ann Hann
Age in 1911: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Greenwich
Civil Parish: Paddington County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 8 Shirland Mews, Kilburn, Paddington, London W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 19 Estimated Marriage Year: 1892
Registration district: Paddington Registration District Number: 1 Sub-registration district: Paddington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 19
Arthur Robert Hann 39
Jane Ann Hann 39
Richard Hann 14
Arthur Robert Hann 12
Minnie Harriett Hann 10
Alfred George Hann 6
George Hann 3
Olive Ann Hann 1
Henry Lane Hann 52
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 19.

She is older than her husband and trying to look younger than she really is?

Added:
Just read Flip's post, so ignore that age idea.

These could be more births for the marriage:

Births Sep 1911
Hann Bessie J Hasbey Paddington 1a 53
Births Mar 1916
Hann Frederick Hasbey Paddington 1a 61

Janee Ann Hasberry (Ancestry)

Jane Ann Last name Hasbury (Find My Past, also Genes)

(comes up as above 1891)

Chris :)

When Arthur died in 1945 at Paddington hospital probate was granted to his widow Jane Anne. Address was 77 Dibden House, Maida Vale.

Jane Ann Hann died in 1961, Poole age given 90. Probate was granted ot Olive Annie Hann (spinster). So 1871/72 birth if the age is correct.

1881
Walter Ashby Head Married Male 32 1849 Coal Porter Newmarket, Suffolk, England
Louisa S Ashby Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Newmarket, Suffolk, England
Louisa L Ashby Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Bromley, Essex, England
Walter Ashby Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Plaistow, Essex, England
Jane A Ashby Daughter Single Female 7 1874 - Greenwich, Kent, England
Sophia A Ashby Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Elizabeth W Ashby Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Greenwich, Kent, England
Street Claremont Street
Parish
Greenwich
County London, Kent
Country England
Registration district Greenwich
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 720
Folio 5
Page 4

(Ashby Hasbey, probably not!)

Chris :)

edits (no, she is with them 1891 West Ham)

Good try Chris, but Jane is with them in 1891 - but transcribed as june on ancestry.

(sorry Flip, just found her!, mystery!)

Chris :)

Beginning to wonder if she was a patient somewhere on the 1881 census - that 1891 census where they were both working lists all patients & inmates with just initials, no surnames. Surnames were only used for the staff.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13735058

(could be interesting!)

Normansfield Hospital, Teddington

http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/144/LMA_OPAC/web_detail/REFD+H29?SESSIONSEARCH

Chris :)

I found what I think is the same institution in 1881 but with far fewer patients and no staff listed (Teddington, enumeration district 11b) - but can't see the rest of the hospital on other Teddington districts. Wonder if it is missing?

Added: No, got it in district 11 - just having a look through now.

No sign of her there, none of the females of the right sort of age have the right initials or birth place. The employment records would be interesting though...

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(I'll let David know how to find his replies) :-)

Gosh - what a huge response! But I've got all that..........Thank you.
Jane Anne Hasbey and Arthur Richard Hann were married at Queen's Road Chapel,Wimbledon (a Baptist Chapel), in 1891. She was 'Spinster' aged 20, dau of Thomas Hasbey, deceased Seaman).
Arthur's name was actually Arthur Robert Hann, but he was the right man confirmed by name of his father (no idea why recorded as Arthur Richard Hann).
I am hoping to find Jane Anne's baptism at Greenwich. She gave this as her place of birth in 1891, 1901, 1911 census.
David

Hi David, who were the witnesses on the marriage, do they give any clues? Also did it give an address for either of them?

Not sure if this is of any relevance, but there appears to be a lot of Haspey's in the Liverpool area - many of them mariners. Wonder if the name was originally Haspey, according to this link it has been mistranscribed on a number of occasions.

http://www.the-dicksons.org/Haspeys/thomhasp.htm#Hasbey

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Webster Road, St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas H??? Head - Male 32 1839 - Surrey, England
Transcription
Maria H??? Wife - Female 33 1838 - Middlesex, England
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Thomas H??? Son - Male 2 1869 - Surrey, England
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Eliza H??? Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Surrey, England
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Jane H??? Daughter - Female 68 1803 - Kent, England

find my past

for jane its crossed out 68 and says 8 months

for thomas it could say sailor

the census is very faded