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Hi All

Thank you very very much, it looks like it is Anne and Peter Covington, which could be misheard/changed over the years.
I will check the actual record for Anne's birth and death to see if there is any other information with it that will confirm the info.
I was aware of the census records but have found if my info is wrong, I am leading you all on a false trail so give only the info I know for sure

Thanks once again

Regards Chrissey

sorry Gins, don't know about data ... Chrissey already had the census info, she just hadn't given it to us so I posted the basics we needed, names plus ages and places ... I never think we need every line of info copied all double-spaced with all the things about parish maps and such :-)

Yes I read your post Joonie but I couldn't see the data, only the names of the people on the census

Maybe I missed it

Looks liked it escaped me JoonieC, lol, thought I'd post FMP one, then Gins could transfer PFP numbers in Ancestry, but curiosity made me do it myself, like to make things easy for her, she knows me well!, all helps in the end, lol.

And looks llike chrissey will be busy!.

Chris :)

might be worth buying this cd

http://www.parishchest.com/cardington_parish_registers__P91442

Peter Parkins in 1861 in Woodstone, Peterborough reg dist

Peter Parkins 28
Mary Ann Parkins 22
John Richardson 2
> Ann Parkins 1/12

Ann could be for his mother ... or his grandmother, unfortunately it could be either one

by the way the John Parkins that Chris found marrying Sarah Markram


1841 in Cardington, image at Ancestry is very bad

James Brown 25
Charlotte Brown 25
Elizabeth Brown 1
William Sarkuet 25
John Perkins 20 ag lab

1851 in Eastcotts, Bedford and Cardington

John Parkins 31 born Cardington, farm labourer
Sarah Parkins 29
Elizabeth Parkins 1

Gins and Chris did you read my post at all? :-)

I posted the 1841 per Ancestry:


however in 1841 they appear in Cardington at Ancestry as
Thomas Rackin 67
Sarah Rackin 60
Peter Rackin 9
aha, recently corrected (i.e. the name has been corrected to Parkins this week)


and I posted the 1851 in Cardington (a lot more concisely !!)

Thomas Parkin 77
Ann Parkin 72
Peter Parkin 18
Mary Sannan 50

and noted the Sarah/Ann name difference

I think Sarah/Ann was somebody known by both names, possibly Sarah Ann whose mother was Sarah, that sort of thing ... she appears to be the same person throughout


and also I posted what are surely baptisms to the grandparents in Westoning, Sarah 1802, Denbigh 1806 and Elizabeth 1808, Westoning being the place of birth of Thomas and his wife in the 1851 census, and the son born in 1805 called Denbigh is in Cardington in the censuses

there could have been later children born in Cardington such as the Anne Parkyns 1814 whose baptism (sorry, burial) Chris posted, in fact since she died in 1834 she would be a good candidate for being Peter Parkins's mother

edit - yes, freereg has this 1811 baptism that is most likely to the same Thomas and Sarah/Ann

County Bedfordshire
Place Cardington
Church St. Mary
BaptismDate 16 Jun 1811
Forename Mary
FatherForename Thos
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname PERKINS
FileNumber 15635

the same baptism at familysearch, batch P00346-1:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NPV6-DHD


and I posted the 1851 census for a Peter Covington aged 38 cordwainer (shoemaker) born in Cardington ... who could be the father of Peter Parkins ... or ... Peter Parkins's father could have died before 1841

(I don't understand how the name Ekins comes into it here - Curbington or Curlington as it is transcribed at familysearch is that child's middle name, surname Ekins, the birth was in a different bit of Bedfordshire and the baptism was in Northamptonshire ... the mother seems to have been Elizabeth Crick:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQBT-V3T )


Chrissey did you have any thoughts about that Peter Covington or the baptisms of children of Thomas and Sarah/Ann ?


I think it is quite likely that Peter Covington c1813 shoemaker is the father of Peter Parkins, and Ann Parkyns 1814 who died in 1834 as Chris found is his mother


note: in batch P00346-1 at familysearch
the oldest Peter Covington posted by Chris is shown as Coventon in some of his baptisms e.g. Elizabeth 1778
and his son Peter is shown as Covington for 1775 baptism

but no baptism for the Peter born c1813 is showing up

(yes, not sure on that Gins, Thomas comes up on google for crimes also)


13 February 1842 PARKINS John 22 Bachelor Labourer Cardington Thomas PARKINS Labourer
MARKRAM Sarah 20 Spinster Lacemaker Cardington William MARKRAM Labourer

(saw above google, if relating)

http://dustydocs.com/link/1/24046/160906/marriages-1837-1901-steven-gibbs-parish-registers.html

Chris :)

(Daughter perhaps)

Burial (Find My Past)
First name(s) ANNE
Last name PARKYNS
Birth year 1814
Death year 1834
Age 20
Burial year 1834
Burial day 15
Burial month 3
Place CARDINGTON
Church description ST MARY


http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/CardingtonBurials-1.htm

http://stevengibbs.me.uk/CardingtonBaptisms-1.htm

(useful above)

I wasn't sure about that 1841 Chris as his grandmother is called Ann in 1851?



1851 England Census

Name:
Peter Parkin
[Peter Parkins]

Age:18

Estimated birth year:abt 1833

Relation:Grandson

Gender:Male

Where born:Cardington, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish:Cardington

Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:

County/Island:Bedfordshire

Registration district:
Bedford

Sub-registration district:
Bedford and Cardington

ED, institution, or vessel:
7

Household schedule number:109

Piece:1752
Folio:267
Page Number:29

Household Members:


Thomas Parkin 77
Ann Parkin 72
Peter Parkin 18
Mary Sannan 50

1841 (Find My Past)
Thomas Parkins Male 67 1774 Bedfordshire (Ag. Lab)
Sarah Parkins Female 60 1781 Bedfordshire
Peter Parkins Male 9 1832 Bedfordshire
County Bedfordshire
Street Manor Lane
Parish or township Cardington
Registration district Bedford
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 9
Book number 3
Folio number 4
Page number 2

(looks to be above Gins)

edits (as Thomas Rackin, Ancestry)

Prisoner record from Bedford

Offence details
Name: Peter Parkins Age: 19 Date of Offence: 10th January 1852 Offence: On 5th January 1852 at Cardington unlawfully entering on land in the occupation of John White with a snare for the purpose of taking Game Sentence: 3 Days Hard Labour having found Sureties Type of trial: Summarily Convicted

Personal details
Height: 5 ft 7 inches Hair colour: Brown Eye colour: Blue Visage: Round Complexion: Fresh Identifying marks: Scar on the forehead several moles on the back
Trade or occupation: : Read and Write Imperfectly Marriage status: Single Number of children: Unknown

Residence details
Birth town: Cardington Residence town: Cardington Residence county: Bedfordshire

Chris :)

http://vcp.e2bn.org/search/index.php?cmd=search&searchstring=parkins&searchwithinresultsstring=

(from google search, worth a look round on names!)

I cant seem to find Peter on the 1841 census?

Chrissey, could you post it please

Hi All

Thank you all very much for your time and effort, sorry but I dozed off l.ast night

I have quite a few things to check now and hopefully one of the leads will give me the answer

Kind regards

Chrissey

I don't think that info I posted is the correct Peter, I've followed him through on the censuses and he appears on them

Burial (Find My Past)
First name(s) THOMAS
Last name PARKINS
Birth year 1774
Death year 1851
Age 77
Burial year 1851
Burial day 14
Burial month 11
Place CARDINGTON
Church description ST MARY
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Bedfordshire

Chris :)

(below, examples of name Covington, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Baptism
County Bedfordshire
Place Cardington
Church St. Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 22 Oct 1775
Forename Peter
Sex M
FatherForename Peter
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname COVINGTON

Burial
County Bedfordshire
Place Cardington
Church St. Mary
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 23 Jun 1809
Forename Peter
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname COVINGTON
Notes Sen.; blacksmith

(also another Burial in Cardington, Find My Past, Covington Peter 13/1/1839 age 63)

Peter snr from that above census is a shoe xxx in 1841 and a cordwainer in 1851.

But Peter jnr cannot be with parents and with grandparents on the same censuses??

Posting this so we can check them out later




England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970


Name:Peter Curbington

Birth Date:9 Jun 1834

Birth Place:Riseley, Bedfordshire, England

Gender:Male

Event Type:Baptism

Father:
Peter Ekins

Mother:
Elizath Ekins

Baptism Date:17 Jul 1834

Baptism Place:Higham Ferrers, Northamptonshire, England

Denomination:Wesleyan Methodist

Piece Title:
Piece 1272: Higham Ferrers (Wesleyan Methodist), 1811-1837

-------------------------------------------

Struggling to read the fathers occupation?



1841 England Census

Name:
Geter Ekins
[Peter Ekins]

Age:55

Estimated birth year:abt 1786

Gender:Male

Where born:Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish:Riseley

Hundred:Stodden

County/Island:Bedfordshire

Registration district:Bedford

Sub-registration district:Riseley


Piece:7
Book:12
Folio:11
Page Number:16

Household Members:


Geter Ekins 55
Elizabeth Ekins 45
Naomi Ekins 15
Mary Ekins 12
Iabez Ekins 9
Geter Ekins 6
Jane Ekins 5

I would bet that this is a child of Thomas and Sarah/Ann Parkins

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYY4-NQP

Name: Denbigh Parkins
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Jan 1806
Christening Place: WESTONING,BEDFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1805
Father's Name: Thomas Parkins
Mother's Name: Ann

same birth place as Thomas and Ann in 1851, and living in Cardington in 1851 (I searched censuses for Parkins born in Westoning hoping to find a son or unmarried daughter)

other births to that couple in that place:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NPDH-NSS
Sarah Parkins 1802
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3ZC-DJK
Elizabeth Parkins 1808

one of them is likely Peter Parkins's mother?


there are a lot of people at this site with Thomas Parkins 1770/1775 Westoning in their trees
(just search for Thomas Parkins 1775 +/- 10 years in Bedfordshire, for reasons unknown, the search function will not find him if you specify Westoning)

I think Coolington is not a real name.

the Codrington marriage looks just right for the 1881 Thomas ... but he seems to have no connection with Bedfordshire ... and there are few Codringtons in the BMDs in Bedfordshire/Northamptonshire ...

a birth in Wellingboro in 1845, a death in Bedford 1894
and then marriages after 1920 in those two districts and later events elsewhere in Northants
the surname is mostly associated with Gloucestershire/Somerset extending into Wiltshire, Dorset, Hampshire, and with London


Covington is a possibility ... in 1851 there is a Peter Covington c1813 in Bedford St Paul with wife Maria (probably Smith married 1843 Bedford reg dist) and children,
>> a cordwainer (shoemaker)

Peter Covington 38 > born in Cardington
Maria Covington 28
Stephen Covington 7
Emma Covington 5
Peter Covington 3
Robert Covington 1

Cardington is in the Bedford reg dist

there is also a Petre Covington (as spelled by freebmd) death in Bedford reg dist in 1839, and others in June quarter 1851 and later


I wish we could have all the details known ... living in 1861 with his wife and child, names? where?

children's names can be helpful if they are connected with the parent's family for instance ... possibly named for a parent's mother ...


you say his grandparents were Thomas and Sarah Parkins ... but in 1851 he is living with Thomas and Ann Parkins ...

Thomas Parkin 77
Ann Parkin 72
Peter Parkin 18
Mary Sannan 50

someone has corrected the surname from Parkin in that census at Ancestry, do you know that person?
a different person has more recently corrected the data for their lodger
and a third person has corrected Thomas's place of birth

however in 1841 they appear in Cardington at Ancestry as

Thomas Rackin 67
Sarah Rackin 60
Peter Rackin 9

aha, recently corrected :-)



do you think Peter Parkins could have been Peter Covington, and took his grandparents' name after death or desertion by his father or parents? and he simply didn't know his father's given name and used his own? ... not at all unheard of

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NDH4-DFP

Name: Peter Covington
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Oct 1831
Christening Place: St. Marys, Bedford, Bedford, England
Father's Name: William Covington
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03641-3

but no I think that Covington family can be ruled out ... she was probably Mary Ann Hall and that child is likely in the 1841 census as 'Paler Covington' at Ancestry with mother Maryann.


there are Covingtons in Bedford in all censuses


I think I would be interested in the shoemaker Peter in 1851 perhaps ... when he married in 1843 he was already 30 and could have been a widower or had a child when he was young ... I can't spot him in 1841 ...

there are two people at this site with a Peter Covington 1813, no place of birth shown, in their trees

and there are several people with other Covingtons born in Cardington in the 1700s and early 1800s in their trees, one of them being one of the people who has Peter Covington 1813

it's possible they could tell you something about him