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Good luck with that, Sean. Let us know how you get on.

change of plan going tomorrow instead hopefully...
but of another note i have found a james byrne who married a mary oakley in 1831
but it says faculty office marriage license..how would i find out the area?? as it does not state this
cheers

forget that last question its in surrey
:-|

Going back to cemetry record...would there be any other information like maiden name etc on the burial/cemetry register????

also the baptism record for marian burn(mary ann) st nicholas poor house durham
if i rang them would they check the records for other information (mothers maiden name etc)
cheers

I doubt that the cemetery record would have her maiden name but the gravestone might mention her as being a widow and give her husband's name and the names of any children.

According to this site, there are very few remaining records for the workhouse and none earlier than 1837.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Durham/#Records

well went to the cemetry and may aswell have put a blindfold on...only found 1 grave according to the plans and wasnt her and took me 2 hrs haha..
neway just rang cemetries office and they gonna ring me in next 3 working days..prob should have done that first..

just wish i could find her marriage to james burn/byrne/burns.

i have also found another birth
Baptisms, Chester-le-Street District - Record Number: 710864.0
Location: Washington
Church: Holy Trinity
Denomination: Anglican
8 Jan 1826 James Burns, of Washington, son of James (paper maker) & Mary Burns

could be the same family i suppose and elizabeth was born in washington also!!!!

hi all..
no gravestone on the plot...so i can rule that out :-(
as above i found another ,Baptisms, Chester-le-Street District - Record Number: 710864.0
Location: Washington
Church: Holy Trinity
Denomination: Anglican
8 Jan 1826 James Burns, of Washington, son of James (paper maker) & Mary Burns

i know it states burns as the surname but it seams to range from burn,byrne, and burns....but cvarnt seam to finf a marriage for him only record that seams to fit is this one
James Burn
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Fatfield, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Washington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 29 Colliery Cottages
Marital Status: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub registration district: Harraton

can anyone help
cheers

carnt remember if ive asked this before but would a death certificate have a ladies maiden name on it???
thanx

No, Sean. An English death cert wouldn't have a maiden name. The name and relationship of the informant would be given.

ahhh thanx potty...dont know what to do now
cheers

hi all
with regards to this post ive hit a brickwall.
i have even checked durham records online and no marriage found for james burn and mary so unable to prove that her maiden name was robinson..
i dont know how i can validate it.

would durham county records have info of them being in the poorhouse???as mary ann (marian) was born there in 1821 or were these destroyed?
any help would be apprechiated
cheers

This site

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Durham/

says this about the records held:

Records
•Durham County Record Office, County Hall, Durham DH1 5UL. Limited holdings include: Guardians' minutes (1837-1902, with gaps); Register of inmates (1925-42); Creed registers (1925-40); Deaths register (1866-1914); etc.

So no records as far back as 1821.

This site has details of the records held - the Overseers records might have some info:

http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/PoorLaw.aspx

Overseers' Accounts

Information about Overseers’ Accounts in Durham County Record Office.

The Poor Law was established by Acts of 1597 and 1601, and placed responsibility for the poor in the hands of the parish with churchwardens or parish overseers collecting poor rates and allocating relief.

Overseers of the poor were appointed in each parish. They had the responsibility for collecting poor rates from occupiers of land and property, and for using the money to relieve the destitute, apprentice poor children, and set the able-bodied unemployed to work.

You will find details of payments to pauper families in the accounts of the parish where they were legally settled and not where they were living. Many disputes over who was responsible for maintenance were held in Quarter Sessions Courts.

The Overseers were supposed to keep accounts of the money they had spent on poor relief. Many paupers received payments for food, clothing, rent, fuel, medicines, medical care, coffins and funeral expenses. Overseers also paid travel expenses for journeys undertaken on behalf of the parish and for the transport of paupers in and out of the parish. They also made payments to unmarried mothers, wives of militia and strangers passing through the parish.

These records were usually kept in the Parish Chest and have been transferred to the Record Office. Search the Catalogue and type overseers accounts in the Keywords box. .

You will find more information on the history of the Poor Law on the The Workhouse website.

thanx again potty

been it contact with durham county records and they carnt help me either, apparently no records of them at the poorhouse and no marriage regoistered in durham so either they were married elsewhere or she just took his name on,,,anyone have any other ideas???
cheers
sean

hi all
still hitting a brick wall as far as the burn family go...
i have marriage certs for both mary ann and her sister elizabeth robinson burn.

mary ann burn married alexander scott in 1851
elizabeth robinson burn (spelt BYRNE) married john sinclair in 1854

on elizabeth and johns marriage cert her father (james burn) is deceased.
it does not state that on mary anns marriage cert, yet i am unable to find a death for him which adds up between 1851 and 1854

again unable to find them on the 1851 census records but their mother mary burn living with her daughter mary ann in the 1861 census(widowed)

any help with james death would be apprechiated (again this could be burn, byrne, burns)

cheers
sean

still getting no where with this brick wall...
but i have found something i think..

i was typing various wordings and names etc in google and this popped up..

[PDF]catalogue of records of episcopal jurisdiction and courts
endure.dur.ac.uk:8080/fedora/get/UkDhU:EADCatalogue.0542/PDF
Loose depositions removed to constitute DDR/EJ/CCD/1/1. Other loose depositions ...... defendant: Mary Burn of Sunderland, County Durham, wife of James Burn defamation - whoredom ...... DDR/EJ/CCD/3/1852/6 1852 plaintiff: Ann Welsh

ive looked through the records but carnt seem to find anything...could someone help

regards
sean

Would I be able to read the documents/files anywhere??? Would these be accessible in the local history centre or would I have to goto Durham records office ;-)

can anyoneadvise me on the above??? it seems it is a court record and from 1852 and it could possible have a current address in the record itself, as i am unable to find her in 1851

there is this marriage for a mary robinson

Burns
mentioned in the record of Burns and Mary Robinson
Name: Mary Robinson
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1941
Registration District: Durham South Eastern
County: Durham
Event Place: Durham South Eastern, Durham, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Burns
Volume: 10A
Page: 381
Line Number: 133

Burns probably married one of the following people
Name: Frederick M H Burns

thanx malyon
but if they actually married it would it have been around 1820 ish i think,,,,,

i am stuck for things to try for actual leads...it would be great if someone could advise me on my previous post with regards to the diocess record
cheers thou
sean